Another School Shooting in the US

[ElwoodBlues1]

Just been reading about the situation in Italy where some of the African migrants are beginning to get distinctly nervous as the anger and antipathy of the locals rise. The recent case of the murder of a young woman by an African migrant has highlighted this. It triggered a revenge attack by an Italian man that has been praised by some, especially by the girls parents. Very very concerning imo as to how subsequent events may unfold.

Read same and also about the homeless in Italy including the elderly....cutting Italian pensions to pay for the influx of illegal migrants hasnt helped the mood either....
Watched a doco about Sweden and was shocked to see they have  similar problems with the police unwilling to go to certain areas of the bigger cities due to the fear of being attacked by African migrants....this is where you get local nutters taking things into their own hands and starting trouble...

[LP]

Got to be very careful about what you read, a lot of these stories are deliberately highlighted for political purposes.

I was in a location a while back that was being reported on Melbourne news as being in lock down due to rioting locals. My missus called worried by the news because she knew I was close to the site, in fact I could look out my hotel window right at the central park which was supposed to be a riot zone. I saw blue skies, green grass and people walking their dogs!

I have no idea where the footage reported in Melbourne came from but it wasn't from where they reported. It's no accident those stories were being run at the same time the local media were pushing the anti-immigration angle.

[cookie2]

Read same and also about the homeless in Italy including the elderly....cutting Italian pensions to pay for the influx of illegal migrants hasnt helped the mood either....
Watched a doco about Sweden and was shocked to see they have  similar problems with the police unwilling to go to certain areas of the bigger cities due to the fear of being attacked by African migrants....this is where you you get local nutters taking things into their own hands and starting trouble...

Apparently Malmo is particularly bad but few reports come through the MSM. Also plenty of similar trouble going down in parts of Paris but again few reports in the MSM.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Looks like the Swiss have everyone covered again, tennis, firearms they lead the way...

https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/switze...00482.html

[PaulP]

Looks like the Swiss have everyone covered again, tennis, firearms they lead the way...

https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/switze...00482.html

Hmm, clearly culture and attitudes play a big part in the differences between the 2 countries. I suspect socio economic factors also play a part.

I still don't like the idea of mass gun ownership, irrespective of the maturity, common sense or wealth of the culture. 

[ElwoodBlues1]

Hmm, clearly culture and attitudes play a big part in the differences between the 2 countries. I suspect socio economic factors also play a part.

I still don't like the idea of mass gun ownership, irrespective of the maturity, common sense or wealth of the culture.

Take your point on mass gun ownership but a Homicide rate of zero is hard to argue against....Swiss are also very fussy who they let into their
country on a permanent basis, no doubt a culture for the more well to do who dont like change..

[LP]

Looks like the Swiss have everyone covered again, tennis, firearms they lead the way...

https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/switze...00482.html

Without reading the article there are some issues that highlight the difference between the US and Switzerland.

Switzerland has a high level of gun ownership because it has mandatory national service for men and everyone gets to keep the rifle or small arms they were issued with after service is complete. Many homes have a gun of some sort, just one usually. In a time of conflict they can be called up to service at any time, until they are middle aged at which time they may be required to form the home/national guard in times of war.

Secondly the weapons they are issued with are generally single shot sniper type rifles or small arms, they are not all issued with SIG semi-automatics. I believe there has been a change, or proposed change, to disallow the retention of the semi-automatic weapons at the end of service.

Thirdly, you cannot carry firearms in public concealed or in the open, in Switzerland it's illegal to carry firearms of any sort in public. In the US I've sat in bars were people are wearing handguns like Hollywood cowboys or shoulder holsters like Dirty Harry!

Swiss police, care of national service, are all heavily trained, do not wear sunglasses at night and  are respected by the general public!

Perhaps the US should introduce national service as a pre-requirement for gun ownership!

[PaulP]

Take your point on mass gun ownership but a Homicide rate of zero is hard to argue against....Swiss are also very fussy who they let into their
country on a permanent basis, no doubt a culture for the more well to do who dont like change..

Yes, I guess a 0% rate is hard to argue against, but it still feels like a ticking time bomb to me......

The other point re letting or not letting people in is a huge, meaty topic that too often veers into easy racism, so I say proceed with caution.

[PaulP]

Without reading the article there are some issues that highlight the difference between the US and Switzerland.

Switzerland has a high level of gun ownership because it has mandatory national service for men and everyone gets to keep the rifle or small arms they were issued with after service is complete. Many homes have a gun of some sort, just one usually. In a time of conflict they can be called up to service at any time, until they are middle aged at which time they may be required to form the home/national guard in times of war.

Secondly the weapons they are issued with are generally single shot sniper type rifles or small arms, they are not all issued with SIG semi-automatics. I believe there has been a change, or proposed change, to disallow the retention of the semi-automatic weapons at the end of service.

Thirdly, you cannot carry firearms in public concealed or in the open, in Switzerland it's illegal to carry firearms of any sort in public. In the US I've sat in bars were people are wearing handguns like Hollywood cowboys or shoulder holsters like Dirty Harry!

Swiss police, care of national service, are all heavily trained, do not wear sunglasses at night and  are respected by the general public!

Perhaps the US should introduce national service as a pre-requirement for gun ownership!

Interesting points.

[DJC]

Looks like the Swiss have everyone covered again, tennis, firearms they lead the way...

https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/switze...00482.html

According to Planet America, the USA makes up 4% of the earth’s population yet 48% of the privately owned firearms on earth are in the USA.  I reckon that smashes the Swiss effort.  Firearm ownership in the USA is limited to a relatively small percentage of the population but gun owners often have many firearms.

And I have to comment on the claim by the POTUS that he would have charged into the school even if he was unarmed  :o Strong words from a bloke who had strings pulled to avoid the draft and Vietnam.  :