One day squad..No Maxwell????

[flyboy77]

Even Gayle missed out round 1.

[Professer E]

Can't agree more EB.... Warner should  be the short form captain.  Smith should be taken aside and told to concentrate on test cricket - like Clarke before him his batting really isn't that suited to the short format (he normally plays himself in) and his captaincy is far to reactive and conservative.

The prediliction with pace bowling works at test level but taking the pace from the ball is the go when the hitters start swing... we seem to be looking for a new generation of allrounders with the shelving of Faulkner etc and the selectors seem loathe to fiddle with Lyon now that he is a serious threat at test level.  The side really is in transition ATM.

Poms have a swag of decent seamers and two spinners (plus Root) who can swing the bat hard in the allrounder mode - we  fall short in that area although Stonis, Marsh and Maxwell can do roles.

As for specialist one day bats, I can think of Finch, Lynn, Head - after that the well kind of dries up as opposed to Roy, Hale etc.

Zampa needs to start taking wickets as you can't carry specialist bowlers who are ineffective and can't bat... maybe Ahmed or Agar could get a gig instead.

[malo]

Can't agree more EB.... Warner should  be the short form captain.  Smith should be taken aside and told to concentrate on test cricket - like Clarke before him his batting really isn't that suited to the short format (he normally plays himself in) and his captaincy is far to reactive and conservative.

The prediliction with pace bowling works at test level but taking the pace from the ball is the go when the hitters start swing... we seem to be looking for a new generation of allrounders with the shelving of Faulkner etc and the selectors seem loathe to fiddle with Lyon now that he is a serious threat at test level.  The side really is in transition ATM.

Poms have a swag of decent seamers and two spinners (plus Root) who can swing the bat hard in the allrounder mode - we  fall short in that area although Stonis, Marsh and Maxwell can do roles.

As for specialist one day bats, I can think of Finch, Lynn, Head - after that the well kind of dries up as opposed to Roy, Hale etc.

Zampa needs to start taking wickets as you can't carry specialist bowlers who are ineffective and can't bat... maybe Ahmed or Agar could get a gig instead.

Yes to Agar, absolutely.  there's something about finger spinners that make them harder to hit.....unless you are a world class leggy, which Zampa is not.  Agar is a very clean striker of the ball as well.  I hope he gets a gong again in tests one day soon.

Need to can the idea of playing your test fast bowling attack in a one day series right before another huge test series vs SAF.  If there's nothing scheduled, then fine.  Mind you, at least they've not played all of them in all 5 matches.  Mitchell Starc really needs to be playing a match or two in shield cricket, he is bowling poop atm.  But there'll be none of that while the Big Bash hold court for over a month !.

[flyboy77]

Zampa has lost his mojo.... Starc?

in my opinion, clearly hampered by the foot. No more cricket until SA. There's a 3 day game before the 1st Test to find the rhythm!

Still bowls the unplayable ball nonetheless.

Was good to see Marsh bowling around 140 clicks again, the shoulder must be loosening up.

[LP]

Starc is a rubbish ODI bowler, he should follow Smith out the door!

Marsh would want to be bowling 140 because there is a raft of players who'd be better middle order batting options! But lets not get carried away with Marsh, he's only bowled 18 overs in five games, when he's bowled 40 or 50 overs in five games we'll have something to talk about!

But I don't blame Marsh for the 18 overs, that's Smith's fault. Smith is still in test mode! Perhaps Smith should microphone himself up so he can have a chat and get a suggestion from the commentators!

[ElwoodBlues1]

Starc is a rubbish ODI bowler, he should follow Smith out the door!

Marsh would want to be bowling 140 because there is a raft of players who'd be better middle order batting options! But lets not get carried away with Marsh, he's only bowled 18 overs in five games, when he's bowled 40 or 50 overs in five games we'll have something to talk about!

But I don't blame Marsh for the 18 overs, that's Smith's fault. Smith is still in test mode! Perhaps Smith should microphone himself up so he can have a chat and get a suggestion from the commentators!

Starc bowls good yorkers to the tail but is a opening test bowler who needs four slips and a gully plus batsman playing defensively initially......in test cricket his wide short or legside rubbish will often be let go but not at one day level....
Hazlewood is accurate but at his pace on flat wickets is also hittable and like Starc likes to build pressure to get his wickets which vs attacking batsman doesnt work...

Dale Steyn isnt a great one day bowler either IMO and tries to bowl nice outswingers that suit attacking test fields, ditto for Jimmy Anderson and I can even remember Dennis Lillee not really the same bowler in the shorter format...

IMO specialist one day bowlers is where the game is at these days and you are really looking at bowling allrounders who can throw the bat......eg Woakes is a woeful test bowler IMO but a real good ODI cricketer and we need to get more of his type into the team. A player like Ben Cutting is probably going to be more value than a Hazlewood type.....

[laj]

Starc is a rubbish ODI bowler, he should follow Smith out the door!

Marsh would want to be bowling 140 because there is a raft of players who'd be better middle order batting options! But lets not get carried away with Marsh, he's only bowled 18 overs in five games, when he's bowled 40 or 50 overs in five games we'll have something to talk about!

But I don't blame Marsh for the 18 overs, that's Smith's fault. Smith is still in test mode! Perhaps Smith should microphone himself up so he can have a chat and get a suggestion from the commentators!

Starc was Man of the Series at last World Cup with some outstanding bowling. Just a bit out of form or still injured this season. Starc has 141 and an ODI bowling average of 20.93 at an economy rate of 4.93. Outside of this year has been an outstanding ODI performer. No chance of him being dropped. He'll get back into form again.

Smith averages 42.20 at a strike rate of 86 in ODI's. Neither are going anywhere. They may swap the captaincy for Warner in the ODI's but he won't be out of the team any time soon. He too will be back in form soon enough.

[laj]

Starc bowls good yorkers to the tail but is a opening test bowler who needs four slips and a gully plus batsman playing defensively initially......in test cricket his wide short or legside rubbish will often be let go but not at one day level....
Hazlewood is accurate but at his pace on flat wickets is also hittable and like Starc likes to build pressure to get his wickets which vs attacking batsman doesnt work...

Dale Steyn isnt a great one day bowler either IMO and tries to bowl nice outswingers that suit attacking test fields, ditto for Jimmy Anderson and I can even remember Dennis Lillee not really the same bowler in the shorter format...

IMO specialist one day bowlers is where the game is at these days and you are really looking at bowling allrounders who can throw the bat......eg Woakes is a woeful test bowler IMO but a real good ODI cricketer and we need to get more of his type into the team. A player like Ben Cutting is probably going to be more value than a Hazlewood type.....

Yes, the way they bat these days in ODI's pace off the ball is a necessity. Two spinners i'd play these days and no more than two 140k+ bowlers at the very most.

[laj]

Yes to Agar, absolutely.  there's something about finger spinners that make them harder to hit.....unless you are a world class leggy, which Zampa is not.  Agar is a very clean striker of the ball as well.  I hope he gets a gong again in tests one day soon.

Need to can the idea of playing your test fast bowling attack in a one day series right before another huge test series vs SAF.  If there's nothing scheduled, then fine.  Mind you, at least they've not played all of them in all 5 matches.  Mitchell Starc really needs to be playing a match or two in shield cricket, he is bowling poop atm.  But there'll be none of that while the Big Bash hold court for over a month !.

Actually i'd pick Lyon and one of our best T20 Big Bash bowlers, either Fawad Ahmed or Mitchell Swepson. Both have been very good. Leggies have done well in the BBL. Rashid proved to be trouble in the recent ODI series. I'd play two spinners these days. Australian have to move with the times in regards to ODIs.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Actually i'd pick Lyon and one of our best T20 Big Bash bowlers, either Fawad Ahmed or Mitchell Swepson. Both have been very good. Leggies have done well in the BBL. Rashid proved to be trouble in the recent ODI series. I'd play two spinners these days. Australian have to move with the times in regards to ODIs.

Agree on the spinners, the leggies do well in the BBL and even Moeen Ali who cant spin a ball to save himself is harder to hit than some of our quicks because the pace is off the ball and he just fires the ball in looking to concede singles with the field set back.
Agree also on Lyon and I like Swepson but I dont want a tail of bowlers who cant bat so I would probably go Lyon and Agar.

On another cricket issue I reckon Chad Sayers has been real unlucky not to get a touring spot to SA....I think his bowling is very Philander like and he would also do well in England.
He is different to our other quicks in that he pitches the ball up and looks for seam and swing rather than banging the ball in trying to bounce batsman and I think we need variety.
Not a fan of Trevor Hohns and while he has picked Paine and Marsh to good effect this series I think he plays favorites and often players get overlooked who are not either popular with other players or who dont have the right connections and I reckon Sayers omission has more to do with the fact he is good mates with Darren Berry who has had a long running battle with Trevor Hohns.