AFL Rd 19 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast at marvel

[DJC]

Why do you want Kemp in the middle?

Keep him down back. He is performing very well, but is still learning. Silly to move him around.

You wanna move someone, you move Gov.

One of the things SOS did was suggest that almost every player he drafted or traded in could play in the midfield and Kemp was no exception.

Despite Kemp playing exclusively as a key defender or key forward for us, SOS's midfield comment still reverberates.

I have no doubt that Kemp could play in the midfield but his intercept and contested marking in defence would be sorely missed.  If our forward line is struggling, he could go forward (he was the under 18 All-Australian full forward) but I don't expect to see him in the midfield.

[LP]

I have no doubt that Kemp could play in the midfield but his intercept and contested marking in defence would be sorely missed.  If our forward line is struggling, he could go forward (he was the under 18 All-Australian full forward) but I don't expect to see him in the midfield.

If the opportunity presents we are crazy not to give Kemp a run through the midfield here or there, there is nobody on our list Kemp's size perhaps outside of McGovern, that can go with him over the first couple of meters of acceleration. Across the league, Bont has similar power, Stringer perhaps, De Goey, for size they are similar power over those first few meters.

There is no point fans complaining about Cripps being run into the ground, if our club doesn't actually try someone who can actually have an impact while giving him a chop out. There is no point using traffic cones, it has to be someone the opposition needs to respect.

The bulk of fans do not see this potential in Kemp because they are either ball watching or watching on TV, and what Kemp does and can do mostly happens before the ball gets near! There is a reason why you are seeing him more often as the 3rd man up and intercept marking, because he has the acceleration to leave his opponent at the last possible moment and clos the gap.

It's true we could try McGovern, but he's a much much better ball user than Kemp so losing McGovern off HB is a much bigger deal.

If we had Pitto and TDK, or some other combo that releases SoJ from ruck duty, then SoJ would be another great midfield rotation option that can offer a big body to give Cripps a chop out.

[DJC]

If the opportunity presents we are crazy not to give Kemp a run through the midfield here or there, there is nobody on our list Kemp's size perhaps outside of McGovern, that can go with him over the first couple of meters of acceleration. Across the league, Bont has similar power, Stringer perhaps, De Goey, for size they are similar power over those first few meters.

There is no point fans complaining about Cripps being run into the ground, if our club doesn't actually try someone who can actually have an impact while giving him a chop out. There is no point using traffic cones, it has to be someone the opposition needs to respect.

The bulk of fans do not see this potential in Kemp because they are either ball watching or watching on TV, and what Kemp does and can do mostly happens before the ball gets near! There is a reason why you are seeing him more often as the 3rd man up and intercept marking, because he has the acceleration to leave his opponent at the last possible moment and clos the gap.

It's true we could try McGovern, but he's a much much better ball user than Kemp so losing McGovern off HB is a much bigger deal.

If we had Pitto and TDK, or some other combo that releases SoJ from ruck duty, then SoJ would be another great midfield rotation option that can offer a big body to give Cripps a chop out.

Why on earth would you play one of the best intercept/contested marks in the midfield?

Apart from Kennedy, none of our midfielders are great marks.  They don't have to be.  KPPs require different skillsets and Kemp has shown that he has the KPP skillset throughout his career with us.

Jack is not a midfielder.  He gets away with rucking because the opposition rucks are too slow to run off him. 

[Tragic]

Cowan obviously to half back, Ollie to the wing, so I assume Doc into the middle, Dow to play a full game in the middle, and Ed to rotate between midfield and small fwd.  Our fwd line  will be quite small again, which seemed to work pretty well last week after H went off.

Pretty big outs in the middle with Crippa, Cerra, and Kennedy out.  As someone else mentioned Acres is listed in the middle though, so there's still a bit of size and experience in there.

Attitude will be everything, as it usually is.  Turn up and we should still beat them pretty easily.

[kruddler]

If the opportunity presents we are crazy not to give Kemp a run through the midfield here or there, there is nobody on our list Kemp's size perhaps outside of McGovern, that can go with him over the first couple of meters of acceleration. Across the league, Bont has similar power, Stringer perhaps, De Goey, for size they are similar power over those first few meters.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Our midfield is working very well.
Our backline is working very well.

We have guys in the 2's (Dow and Binns) who have been knocking the door down all year to get some 1's midfield time and you want to shoehorn Kemp into there instead?
Not only would it hurt our midfield (at best, just initially) but it would hurt our backline (intially and long-term) by doing this.

We have literally just starting getting everything working the way we want it, and you wanna change all that because of
a) some propaganda SOS said years ago.
b) some attribute that he shares with another good midfielder
even though there is no reason to do it?

[Lods]

Don't close your mind to the idea of Kemp in the mid-field completely.

Cripps will be 29 at the start of next year.
The way he plays it's probably likely he'll only have 3-4 years left...and the last few probably won't be pretty.
Our other midfielders are mostly proving to be as fragile as eggs.

We need to start looking for, and developing big bodied mids.

It doesn't have to be Kemp in the middle tomorrow, next week or even next year but it would be silly not to give him a run through there at some stage.

It's interesting...Kemp's best disposal game this year was against West Coast.
Most had a day out that day, and positionally I don't remember where he played but Kemp had 22 that day and kicked a goal.
Young, Weitering and McGovern all played so I suspect he was a bit at both ends.

[WASurfer]

I wouldn't be surprised if there's a late change and one of Marchbank or Young come in.

[DJC]

Don't close your mind to the idea of Kemp in the mid-field completely.

Cripps will be 29 at the start of next year.
The way he plays it's probably likely he'll only have 3-4 years left...and the last few probably won't be pretty.
Our other midfielders are mostly proving to be as fragile as eggs.

We need to start looking for, and developing big bodied mids.

It doesn't have to be Kemp in the middle tomorrow, next week or even next year but it would be silly not to give him a run through there at some stage.

Why not try Weitering in the midfield?  Harry might go OK there too. ?

Earlier in the season we were shoehorning midfielders into the backline so it makes a lot of sense to move one of our best developing defenders into the midfield ?

Of course, trying Kemp in the midfield could be worth it if he does the next pre-season with the midfielders and we recruit Darcy Moore, Tom Stewart or Brayden Maynard.

If I remember correctly, Kemp’s goal came after a 50m penalty.

[PaulP]

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Cripps will be 29 at the start of next year.
The way he plays it's probably likely he'll only have 3-4 years left...and the last few probably won't be pretty....
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Going off topic somewhat, but assuming some luck with injury, and assuming the club can adroitly manage his workload (less games, less game time), Cripps should be able to play high quality footy for a few years yet. Hopefully the club can see the value of looking after him. Premierships aside, he deserves to be thought of (even at this writing) as one of the top 10 CFC players of all time. His personal record, accolades, achievements, longevity, loyalty etc., compares very favourably with the greats.

[Gointocarlton]

I wouldn't be surprised if there's a late change and one of Marchbank or Young come in.

The most gettable 4 points in the history of mankind and we are gonna fark it up just you watch.