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No fan of the Royals as I have said before but didnt Lady Di cheat only after Charles had been finally outed as being with that old witch Camilla who had been with since pre marriage days to Di. Think Lady Di had every right to explore her options after having that cheating scumbag and part time tampon now King cheat on her for all those years and ruin her life.
Megan should have looked at Lady Di's life , demise and figured out what her life was going to look like if she became a Royal.
The wedding was bad enough with Kate and William looking like they were attending a funeral and Megans mother looking isolated like she was in Arkansas at a KKK rally....
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(12-19-2022, 06:41 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:No fan of the Royals as I have said before but didnt Lady Di cheat only after Charles had been finally outed as being with that old witch Camilla who had been with since pre marriage days to Di. Think Lady Di had every right to explore her options after having that cheating scumbag and part time tampon now King cheat on her for all those years and ruin her life.
Megan should have looked at Lady Di's life , demise and figured out what her life was going to look like if she became a Royal.
The wedding was bad enough with Kate and William looking like they were attending a funeral and Megans mother looking isolated like she was in Arkansas at a KKK rally....
Whether Di was justified or not, what sort of wife she really was, what sort of husband Charles was etc, are not the issue. The issue is the media portrayal of individuals, the way those narratives shape public opinion and why those narratives exist as they do.
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Seems like some of Clarkson's views on life may have been framed on watching "A Game of Thrones" 
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Most of his views are shaped by being a white, male, self entitled pr1ck - a man who knows full well that the establishment is his safe space, backer and protector.
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You can leave out the 'white' and 'male'.
That's a generalisation that's unrepresentative of all white, males
Just leave it at prick.
He was obviously trying to draw a comparison with the punishment for another estranged 'fictional royal' in Cersei Lannister.
The problem for Clarkson was that if you hadn't seen the show you're thinking WTF
If you have seen the show you're still thinking WTF, he's missed the mark by the side of the barn.
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(12-19-2022, 07:27 AM)Lods link Wrote:You can leave out the 'white' and 'male'.
That's a generalisation that's unrepresentative of all white, males
Just leave it at prick.
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I'm also white male and privileged, and my views on pretty much everything are the opposite of his. But that's not quite the point. There's no suggestion on my part that whites are inherently more racist, misogynistic etc. than anyone else. This is an issue of structured power imbalance. If the roles were reversed, there's every chance that blacks and other POC would behave as badly as the whites. Power and privilege cause blindness and entitlement over a period of time. But as far as the status quo in the developed world is concerned, facts are facts. The great majority of people who publicly express views like Clarkson, whether overtly or subtly, do happen to be people like him.
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I don't know
I reckon in general (and I'm generalising myself a bit here) that the major interest in this situation is not from men at all.
In fact I suspect there's a bit of 'couldn't care less' about them amongst most males.
The most interest, and much of the criticism of Harry and Meghan I've seen comes from women.
Are others seeing that?
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(12-19-2022, 08:41 AM)PaulP link Wrote:I'm also white male and privileged, and my views on pretty much everything are the opposite of his. But that's not quite the point. There's no suggestion on my part that whites are inherently more racist, misogynistic etc. than anyone else. This is an issue of structured power imbalance. If the roles were reversed, there's every chance that blacks and other POC would behave as badly as the whites. Power and privilege cause blindness and entitlement over a period of time. But as far as the status quo in the developed world is concerned, facts are facts. The great majority of people who publicly express views like Clarkson, whether overtly or subtly, do happen to be people like him.
I think we have to start being a bit careful with using labels like 'old', '
'white', 'male'.
These groups have a great variation in their thinking and views of life.
Far from being a privileged group under such labelling, when used in a derogatory manner, we're actually assuming an "intellectual inferiority" in terms of their thinking.
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(12-19-2022, 09:06 AM)Lods link Wrote:I think we have to start being a bit careful with using labels like 'old', '
'white', 'male'.
These groups have a great variation in their thinking and views of life.
Far from being a privileged group under such labelling, when used in a derogatory manner, we're actually assuming an "intellectual inferiority" in terms of their thinking. I think of the 3, its the OLD part that is the main issue.
Jokes like that (half truths or not) are getting shot down and called out more and more these days.
He's made a career out of being controversal. He isn't saying anything different (in tone at least) than he has said he's whole career. While he hasn't changed, the audience has. He needs to be mindful of that.
You can't teach an old dog new tricks.
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(12-19-2022, 06:24 AM)PaulP date Wrote:Right. She's trying to make a buck by following the fairly standard celebrity route, so when deadsh1ts like Clarkson post violent misogynistic filth, then that's OK, because hey, that's just the price of doing business ? Maybe the b1tch just had it coming ? Surely you can see the narrative you're setting up here ? You do realise the media portrays Lady Di as holier than thou, despite the fact that she cheated on her husband. The narratives between the two women are totally different, and they're intended to be different, and they're structured to be different. I'm not for or against Di or Markle or anyone else.
And as for the comparison to Essendon, I mean what ? Clarkson is only made relevant by your posts, his abhorrent rhetoric should not be used to excuse Markle's actions, actions that are clearly contrary to her words.
They aren't so much victim as they are instigator.
Much of the royalty is living proof of the dangers of inbreeding!
I can't be sure whether Diana's mental state and actions were cause or effect, the waters are too muddy.
Finally, as for the society socials queens standing up to defend Markle with assertions that Clarkson is proof of her media claims, well ..... It's a bit like cyanide claiming arsenic is evil!
"Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck ....... Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck"
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