Pre game Premonitions: AFL 2021 Rd 14: Carlton vs GWS

[cookie2]

Yes guys, it's the old adage, "if you want to win, first you have to make sure you don't lose".

[PaulP]

Strange media conference from The TT today. Seemed very stilted with scripted responses. Really talked up how many things we're doing right!!! Dangerous to draw conclusions from this -- jumping at shadows -- but it really did seem to be a senior coach seriously under the pump (understandable).

Are you referring to the one on the CFC home page, that goes for about 12 minutes ?

If so, it sounded like most TT press conferences IMO. He said he believes that their systems are fine, and the problems are due to players failing to execute the system. Then added that once the players start executing the system correctly, if it still fails, then they would look at it (or words to that effect).

[kruddler]

Our defence in 2016 and 2017 was pretty reasonable. Once Teague came on board in 2018, the focus shifted and the coherence from those 2 years just evaporated. I'm not sure what's up, and I have no interest in starting yet another slanging match, but his coaching history with us clearly shows a struggle / lack of interest in modern, sophisticated defensive setups. We are lucky that neither Weitering nor Jones have been out long term, because we would be stuffed. Teague's reliance on these two is excessive IMO.

Causation or correlation.

Think you'll find the 6-6-6 rule came into being about the same time.

Our defence was better because we were playing 8 blokes in it. Not allowed to do that anymore.
Our defenders are better than they were a few years ago, they are just no longer getting the extra help they were getting previously.

[RiverRat]

Causation or correlation.

Think you'll find the 6-6-6 rule came into being about the same time.

Our defence was better because we were playing 8 blokes in it. Not allowed to do that anymore.
Our defenders are better than they were a few years ago, they are just no longer getting the extra help they were getting previously.

  Yep

[madbluboy]

Giants by about 4 goals.

[DJC]

Our defence in 2016 and 2017 was pretty reasonable. Once Teague came on board in 2018, the focus shifted and the coherence from those 2 years just evaporated. I'm not sure what's up, and I have no interest in starting yet another slanging match, but his coaching history with us clearly shows a struggle / lack of interest in modern, sophisticated defensive setups. We are lucky that neither Weitering nor Jones have been out long term, because we would be stuffed. Teague's reliance on these two is excessive IMO.

We were still making the same basic defensive errors under Bolts Paul.  In fact, we've been making them since the turn of the century 

[DJC]

Are you referring to the one on the CFC home page, that goes for about 12 minutes ?

If so, it sounded like most TT press conferences IMO. He said he believes that their systems are fine, and the problems are due to players failing to execute the system. Then added that once the players start executing the system correctly, if it still fails, then they would look at it (or words to that effect).

That worries me!

Teague would benefit from an intensive media awareness course.  However, a higher priority should be the AFL's level 4 coaching course ... but it's probably not a good look to send a senior coach on a coaching course.

That thinking - blaming the players for not executing the gameplan - is reminiscent of Pagan and Malthouse and I would like to think that Teague is more flexible and innovative than those two.

[kruddler]

That worries me!

Teague would benefit from an intensive media awareness course.  However, a higher priority should be the AFL's level 4 coaching course ... but it's probably not a good look to send a senior coach on a coaching course.

That thinking - blaming the players for not executing the gameplan - is reminiscent of Pagan and Malthouse and I would like to think that Teague is more flexible and innovative than those two.

I'm pretty sure Teague has done the coaching course.

I can't see the link, but someone with HS access might be able to confirm...
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/n...f56502365b

[PaulP]

We were still making the same basic defensive errors under Bolts Paul.  In fact, we've been making them since the turn of the century 

It goes without saying that a team near the bottom for most of the last 20 years will have defensive issues, but the character and tone of the current situation seems different to me. Whatever grumps our players had with game plans / personalities of DP, MM and Bolts, the issues were deeper than structural IMO in those times. To my eyes, CFC June 2019 is pretty much the same as CFC June 2021, and whatever defensive issues we have now are principally structural in nature, and no one seems to be able overcome them. If our players still can't execute Teague's rather basic game plan after 2 1/2 seasons.....................

[DJC]

It goes without saying that a team near the bottom for most of the last 20 years will have defensive issues, but the character and tone of the current situation seems different to me. Whatever grumps our players had with game plans / personalities of DP, MM and Bolts, the issues were deeper than structural IMO in those times. To my eyes, CFC June 2019 is pretty much the same as CFC June 2021, and whatever defensive issues we have now are principally structural in nature, and no one seems to be able overcome them. If our players still can't execute Teague's rather basic game plan after 2 1/2 seasons.....................

It's not that the players can't execute the game plan, it's more that the players are lacking a basic understanding of positioning to guard territory and nullify opponents.  Newman's spectacular and dangerous attempt to mark in our last game is a prime example.  Rather than ball watching and flying with the flight, he should have been focused on stopping his opponent getting the ball.

And it's not just at the defensive end!  Power's comments about having to teach Cuningham his starting positions is an indictment of our player development and all coaches in the Bolts/Teague era.  Similarly, our haphazard forward fifty entries and key forward leading patterns that are as calculated as the last steps of a headless chook are not failures to execute a game plan, they're failures of development, coaching and on field leadership.  In my previous post, I wondered about how good Weiters would be if he played for Richmond.  How good would Harry be if he played for Melbourne?