9/11 Debate

[LP]

Dear Bluebaggers,

To date, 430 Million vaccinated!

FFS stop this insanity, those deadly vaccines must be killing tens of millions!

Love Karen

[LP]

I just said something similar.

This cannot be lumped into the rest of it.

It doesn't add up.

If the government came out and said, we had evidence that the towers were going to fall down, so we used an inbuilt 'auto-desctruct' system to ensure it came down correctly, without destroying the rest of new york in the process. I could accept that. It makes sense.

But no, shear 'dumb luck' for 3 buildings to fall into perfect little piles......and at the same time exhibiting ALL the trademarks of a controlled demolition...as said by experts in that field, eye witness reports from fire fighters and public....but still managed to find the passports of all the people involved, barely singed, among the rubble......Is it really believable? Really?

BTW, Mav said something about flying is easy.....its true. Landing is hard....its true.
So the 'plane' that crashed into pentagon.....that left basically no debris....and disappeared into a tiny hole you could barely get a car in....and left no damage on the grass leading up to it......that 'landing' is supposedly something you cannot do in a similator because the plane have to do the 360 degree dive perfectly would stall. One of my best mates has an uncle who is high up in the aviation area, so much so he one of the blokes they come to when they are trying to work out what happened to those malaysian airlines. He said there is only a handful of people in the world capable of pulling off the manouvre that went into the pentagon. So some random playing a game at home as zero chance. Together with the lack of evidence of a plane at the crash....and the lack of footage of any plane even being there......yeah.....not dodgy at all.

Occams razor....

Hilary did it, she had a big curry the night before and lit a fart in the foyer!

That bit in bold is dead set rubbish, actually most of that post is dead set rubbish, I can't be bothered reading it again to try and find something that is true!

[kruddler]

Perhaps, but maybe real physics has called bullsh1t on the faked physics.

Oddly enough, it's the rules published by the patent clerk that proved Newton wasn't quite right! Yet even Newton given access to the video and some background on the rules of encoding would be able to prove the base claim in the WTC7 Conspiracy isn't true!

In the world, 1 solitary second makes a difference!

Speaking of time making a difference.

Ever watched fahrenheit 9/11? I think it was in that, and loose change. They show how the reporting of the events changed with time.

....and no....i don't mean with more information. I mean the first hour or 2 after collapse.....across EVERY channel.
"explosion" "controlled demolition"  "bang bang bang"
Every single person interviewed immediately after, all across the airwaves said the same thing.
Within an hour or 2, every single report that went to air changed their tune and all of those comments were never seen again. Instead they managed to find completely different take on things from people. One that was almost word for word what news stations started saying.

It was almost (read entirely) like initially they were reporting the truth and then they got a phone call from the higher ups who changed their tune, and then....somehow magically found....a group of people who had a completely different experience to the people who were interview first.

What possible reason could there be for the complete 180 degree change in reporting of the incident? Any takers?

This is fact. Those recordings are all out there, with times. Take whatever conspiracy theory you want completely out of the equation. Why would the reporting change like that?

[Gointocarlton]

Not really about the aeroplane but more about aviation fuel/heat. And no steel framed building (plus all steel is treated with heat resistant coverings), has ever collapsed due to fire. In fact the only way to bring down a steel framed building is through professional demolition... and they use a variety of products and methods to collapse a steel framed building onto its own footprint.

Fire rating of beams, walls etc is typically limited to a time, 2hr, 4hr etc. Buildings of structural steel construction (as they do in in the US) are not designed to support an impact by a jetliner full of Jet A. Nothing more complicated than that IMO.

[kruddler]

That bit in bold is dead set rubbish!

....and this is based on......
Your opinion....which TBH i give no creedence too based on your debating methods.

[kruddler]

The next biggest equivalent crash was a B-25 into the Empire State Building.

B-25 = 15m wide x 15,000kg flying at 230mph.

767 = 40m wide x 150,000 to 200,000kg MTOW flying at +550mph. 10x the weight and at least 2x the speed,

We need a physicist to tell us all about kinetic and potential energy!

Do you need an engineer to explain to you the different relative strengths of the buildings they crashed into?

[kruddler]

Fire rating of beams, walls etc is typically limited to a time, 2hr, 4hr etc. Buildings of structural steel construction (as they do in in the US) are not designed to support an impact by a jetliner full of Jet A. Nothing more complicated than that IMO.

Building was actually designed to withstand the impact of a plane flying into them.

Which adds to the level of mystery of why it didn't work.

[Baggers]

Well, fellow CSC Members, yours truly has just learned of a tragedy close to home. One of my closest mates of around 46 years has just died of Covid. Shattered. Top bloke. Super intelligent. Overweight but otherwise healthy... he was on secondment in the Philippines. 66 years of age. Family shattered. We're all in disbelief. Not one of those to die from Covid with another underlying issue. Covid... then pneumonia (no previous lung issues)... then gone. Apparently received full, quality medical care.

I lived with his family in 1974 when serving at HMAS Waterhen, Waverton (I was a 'spook' - encryption and decryption stuff). Waterhen was a land base for patrol boats/mine sweepers etc. Beautiful family. Like a brother. He was doing an economics degree. Although a Sydneysider I steered him to the BlueBaggers in the AFL. Communicated with him only a few days ago... he was as bright as ever.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Well, fellow CSC Members, yours truly has just learned of a tragedy close to home. One of my closest mates of around 46 years has just died of Covid. Shattered. Top bloke. Super intelligent. Overweight but otherwise healthy... he was on secondment in the Philippines. 66 years of age. Family shattered. We're all in disbelief. Not one of those to die from Covid with another underlying issue. Covid... then pneumonia (no previous lung issues)... then gone. Apparently received full, quality medical care.

I lived with his family in 1974 when serving at HMAS Waterhen, Waverton (I was a 'spook' - encryption and decryption stuff). Waterhen was a land base for patrol boats/mine sweepers etc. Beautiful family. Like a brother. He was doing an economics degree. Although a Sydneysider I steered him to the BlueBaggers in the AFL. Communicated with him only a few days ago... he was as bright as ever.

Sad news Baggers, sympathies to you and your friends family...

[LP]

Ask the parents of that kid who was killed in Canberra by the controlled demolition, and the people around him at the time.

Buildings don't collapse in silence, the noise after a demolition implosion is bigger and louder than the bang that sets them falling, described by many wrongly as a second series of explosions after the demolition explosions are long long gone! That is frequently the internal floors pancaking, and when tonnes of flat surface pancake it creates a shockwave / pressure wave akin to an explosion, the same mechanism as clapping your hands.

The innocent bystanders on record are not expert witnesses, seeing something dramatic once in their life that they have never seen before, they neither have the words or training to explain what they saw, and most of the words gleamed from interviews are placed there by inadvertent suggestions from the interviewers. It is the experts listening to those reports, and making the associations with real world actions, that build a picture of the event.