General Discussions

[madbluboy]

DJC posts in a General "Discussion" thread about the findings of the trial and then pulls the old "Your opinion is not worth anything".

[DJC]

I think you have misunderstood my position.  I don't believe ms Higgins was anywhere near as inebriated as people are insinuating.  I think she and he ended up doing something that they were dismissed for, and have been in reputation fix mode ever since.  Her way to get around that, was to sling mud somewhere else, it has stuck, because he is a potato and was already covered in dirt.

I haven’t misunderstood your position.

The evidence presented at the trial, including Lehrmann’s credit card transactions and eyewitness accounts led Justice Lee to conclude that Higgins was inebriated to the point where consensual sex wasn’t possible.

That’s not insinuation, it’s a conclusion based on considerably more evidence than you and I have seen.

Don’t forget that Lehrmann has always maintained that he did not have sex with Higgins and neither were dismissed from their roles.  Both were employed in the same roles when Higgins eventually reported the rape.

[Baggers]

I think you have misunderstood my position.  I don't believe ms Higgins was anywhere near as inebriated as people are insinuating.  I think she and he ended up doing something that they were dismissed for, and have been in reputation fix mode ever since.  Her way to get around that, was to sling mud somewhere else, it has stuck, because he is a potato and was already covered in dirt.

If you read the trial notes and the judges notes it is recorded approximately how much alcohol Higgins consumed... be enough to eventually put me under the table. They're the facts. Consensual sex was virtually impossible... but I hark back to one of my original points, what kind of bloke seeks to take advantage of a drunk woman?

[DJC]

DJC posts in a General "Discussion" thread about the findings of the trial and then pulls the old "Your opinion is not worth anything".

Not quite true MBB.  Everyone is entitled to an opinion but opinions - yours, mine, Baggers, etc - are insignificant in comparison to a 300 page judgement based on thousands of hours of evidence.

Thry may well be able to form an opinion on someone’s state of inebriation from CCTV footage but I can’t see Lehrmann’s lawyers calling him as an expert witness to rebut the evidence of Higgins’ inebriation that Justice Lee found to be compelling.

[Lods]

I'm not sure whether there's a transcript of the Judge's decision online yet, but he addresses all these issues.
(State of inebriation, activity at the bar, the entrance to Parliament). He goes into specific detail as to why he gives weight to some aspects and little weight to others.

[DJC]

I'm not sure whether there's a transcript of the Judge's decision online yet, but he addresses all these issues.
(State of inebriation, activity at the bar, the entrance to Parliament). He goes into specific detail as to why he gives weight to some aspects and little weight to others.

It is a remarkable exercise in critical thinking, analysis, and a logical progression from evidence to conclusions … with a bit of humour thrown in.

I particularly appreciated his efforts to explain the points of proof required to reach his findings.

[madbluboy]

Nothing humerous about someone being raped.

[Gointocarlton]

Nothing humerous about someone being raped.

So tomorrow, I can walk into a room with my just my boss after hours and a week or so later, say she raped me and that's it? Sweet, might give it a crack and see what I can get. Might even see if I can get Justice Lee oversee proceedings.

[DJC]

So tomorrow, I can walk into a room with my just my boss after hours and a week or so later, say she raped me and that's it? Sweet, might give it a crack and see what I can get. Might even see if I can get Justice Lee oversee proceedings.

You might need to fabricate some corroborating evidence and set up some eye witnesses first. 

[madbluboy]

He could take a  picture of a bruise on his leg from another time he got drunk and fell over.