General Discussions

[Gointocarlton]

Cup the nut sack lol. Taking things out of their cultural context is never wise, unless you really know what you're doing.

It sounds like that camp was run by a bunch of nutters (no pun intended) with little or no consultation with the player before hand. When youre going to run a program which is very left field, you must engage with the playing group with some prelim info to ensure there will be no problem.

[PaulP]

It sounds like that camp was run by a bunch of nutters (no pun intended) with little or no consultation with the player before hand. When youre going to run a program which is very left field, you must engage with the playing group with some prelim info to ensure there will be no problem.

Yes, I tend to agree. Up to now, Eddie has been by far the most vocal about the camp. I don't expect that to change. I think the club and players just want to put it behind them. And really, the only reason it's in the headlines again is because of pre-release extracts from Eddie's book that are doing the rounds.

This article, with a few quotes from Bryce Gibbs, adds another voice :

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-202...b416c4e742

[ElwoodBlues1]

The camp was akin to a cult meeting, players probed for their past fears etc, a comedian brought in to probe players reactions by dressing up in different costumes. The Crows head Doctor wasnt even made aware of what was going to happen and none of the CMT leaders even had a degree in Psychology. That whole Collective Mind Training group should have been facing legal action, one player I believe collapsed and had to be taken away from the camp and was very unwell.
Dont know how anyone rates Don Pyke as a coach and I wouldnt want him anywhere near my football club and the same goes for Walker and Sloane who wouldnt admit how bad things were and I would have sacked them both as leaders on the spot.
We had team building/ bonding training companies try and build bonds with the Engineering staff and management at my previous employer and it was a complete waste of time, about the only satisfaction I got out of out it was flogging the leadership/admin staff in exercises such as building towers out of matchsticks and showing how hopeless they were at any sort of strategy exercises.
10k a day for 5 days was what that training group made out of that BS, it was all filmed on camera in these Uni training labs and critiqued by the training group mods who were teachers I believe with a big Review session that ended up in chaos creating more issues than solutions.

[madbluboy]

It's where you need good leaders in the playing group who can give feed back both ways.

Dangerfield, Selwood, Cotchin, Reiwoldt, Hodge, Mitchell would have shut that crap down. I'm confident Cripps, Weitering, Docherty and Walsh are cut from the same cloth.

[Gointocarlton]

The camp was akin to a cult meeting, players probed for their past fears etc, a comedian brought in to probe players reactions by dressing up in different costumes. The Crows head Doctor wasnt even made aware of what was going to happen and none of the CMT leaders even had a degree in Psychology. That whole Collective Mind Training group should have been facing legal action, one player I believe collapsed and had to be taken away from the camp and was very unwell.
Dont know how anyone rates Don Pyke as a coach and I wouldnt want him anywhere near my football club and the same goes for Walker and Sloane who wouldnt admit how bad things were and I would have sacked them both as leaders on the spot.
We had team building/ bonding training companies try and build bonds with the Engineering staff and management at my previous employer and it was a complete waste of time, about the only satisfaction I got out of out it was flogging the leadership/admin staff in exercises such as building towers out of matchsticks and showing how hopeless they were at any sort of strategy exercises.
10k a day for 5 days was what that training group made out of that BS, it was all filmed on camera in these Uni training labs and critiqued by the training group mods who were teachers I believe with a big Review session that ended up in chaos creating more issues than solutions.

Company management often leaves a bit to desired EB. They fall for the fancy BS advertising by these so called leadership consultants who wouldn't know leadership if it was up them. These companies dream up the BS strategies and systems all based on supposed points of difference to their competitors. They are all nutters if you ask me, its the leaders of the companies that should be delivering the training. Ill lay London to a brick that Brian Cook would eat these sessions for breakfast, he has probably forgotten more about culture and leadership than these cretins will ever know.

[kruddler]

Just read an article re what Edwardo Betts went through on 'that camp' when at the Crows. For someone steeped in indigenous Aussie spirituality, beliefs and culture this was nothing other than psychological abuse... IMHO.

And for someone who has undergone full-on military training (very early 70s) by Naval personnel (precursor to Seals), what Edwardo reported sounded very different to what I went through. Our training brought us together, tighter. Humiliation was minimal -- and when it did happen, it was couched in humour, the Aussie way -- mate ship, encouraging mates, going the extra to help a mate... etc., was the focus, along with extreme physical fitness, endurance, psychological pain/exhaustion management/strategies. And at the end of it we really loved and respected our trainers. The discipline and love of mate I learned during that training helped me enormously and gave me skills I still use to this day.

I recall Crows/Tiggers grand final day line-ups pre game when the Crows were lined up like a bunch of stiff, comical tough guy individual statues... and the Tiggers? Arms around each other.

I read the same thing. Lots of culturally insensitive stuff and lots of bollocks in the form of 'manning up'.

Not being allowed to shower, so you could be more manly etc etc.

Not sure how cupping your mates package gets you to be more manly, but hey, each to their own!  :o

[DJC]

Then read up on what is happening in Moreland and Kingston, plus similar proposals taken to council for debate in Stonnington, Mornington and Casey. Two of the affected cities are councils stacked with covert candidates, who as extinction rebellion members who were bankrolled and elected without revealing their political allegiances, they are slightly left to say the very least!

It's no coincidence that some of these councils flew the Indigenous flag at half-mast on Australia Day.

One of those councils took the same to a debate, defeated the proposal to fly the Aboriginal Flag and/or other Indigenous Flags at half-mast on Australia Day by a margin of one vote, and the councillors have been targeted by protestors ever since, labelled fascists and generally abused.

Moreland is in the Wurundjeri-Woiwurrung traditional owner area and Kingston, Casey, Stonnington and Mornington are in the Bunurong traditional owner area.  Neither of those groups have  their own flags and none of those councils have gifted land to the traditional owners.  In fact, no Aboriginal groups in Victoria have their own flag; they all use the Harold Thomas flag.

It’s pretty clear that the claim that Aboriginal groups were charging local governments a fee for flying their own flags is false.  The claim about “sacred places” gifted to Aboriginal groups is also false.

Who knows what local government councillors get up to.? Their “initiatives” generally reflect their beliefs and are usually developed without the local Aboriginal group’s knowledge or input.

[Thryleon]

I read the same thing. Lots of culturally insensitive stuff and lots of bollocks in the form of 'manning up'.

Not being allowed to shower, so you could be more manly etc etc.

Not sure how cupping your mates package gets you to be more manly, but hey, each to their own!  :o

Are you insinuating that guys that cup another guys manhood are less manly than those who don't?

Honest question.

[Gointocarlton]

Who knows what local government councillors get up to.? Their “initiatives” generally reflect their beliefs and are usually developed without the local Aboriginal group’s knowledge or input.

I wouldn't any of them, I live in Darebin, the worst and most embarrassing council in Melbourne by the length of Conrod Straight.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Are you insinuating that guys that cup another guys manhood are less manly than those who don't?

Honest question.

Answering Kruds question too, guess it implies a duty of care and a level of responsibility..in an awkward way.. :-[  which can be seen as manly.