The rise.... and RISE of Marc Pittonet

[kruddler]

Yep. We definitely need more run in the side.

Which is what i'm saying.

....and you are saying we need 2 rucks.

[LP]

Which is what i'm saying.

....and you are saying we need 2 rucks.

So TDK it is if we can only have one and need more run!

But I think that is a mistake, I think we need two, one with run and jump, one with grunt and muscle.

[Thryleon]

I think a fair bit of time and energy gets wasted on statistics.
Ruck contests seem to attract a lot of attention but all statistics should be handled with care.
The problem with raw statistics is there are too many variables that affect them.
Was it windy, was it raining, who was the opposition, did the ball go to a Carlton player in a disposal who was immediately tackled or did it result in a clean clearance from the contest, what ground were we playing on, what injury did the player carry into the game, how often were they moved to a different opponent, were they being used in a decoy role, were they there to fill a tagging/nullifying role, was there a full moon....and that's just a sample.

So many important statistics aren't recorded as far as I know.
Tackles broken by the opposition is one that's significant!
Didn't chase is another!
I can think of a few of our 'good' players who would show up rather poorly if these were emphasised.

Stats are important in giving a bit of an indication, some are more significant than others.
But they're something that should be used as just an indicator, not necessarily as 'proof of the pudding'.

my favourite stat is scores from turnover.

Unless you win the clearance and then score pretty much every score comes from a turnover.

[kruddler]

my favourite stat is scores from turnover.

Unless you win the clearance and then score pretty much every score comes from a turnover.

No.

If there is a stoppage (ball up or out of bounds) its from a stoppage.
Or you can get a goal from a behind....

[Thryleon]

Isn't that a stoppage clearance score? 

Either way you slice it, I'd rather get scored on from a turnover than any other way.

[LordLucifer]

RUCK
Alex Mirkov
Hudson O’Keeffe
Jack Silvagni
Marc Pittonet
Tom De Koning

Overview : Five players yet nothing of real substance presently. De Koning is an out of control wrecking ball, Pittonet is VFL standard only, O’Keeffe & Mirkov having learner plates on and Silvagni is a ‘hail mary’ at best. 

Recommendation : the Silvagni experiment has run its course and there is no other real place on the field for him given he is slow, his kicking for goal is 50/50 and he is prone to making costly errors, trade him the Saints so he can be with his Dad (don’t care about “heart & soul”, means nothing if you can do the basics). Work hard to fast-track the development of Mirkov & O’Keeffe so they can hopefully graduate sooner & trade TDK whilst he still has maximum trade value. 

[ElwoodBlues1]

RUCK
Alex Mirkov
Hudson O’Keeffe
Jack Silvagni
Marc Pittonet
Tom De Koning

Overview : Five players yet nothing of real substance presently. De Koning is an out of control wrecking ball, Pittonet is VFL standard only, O’Keeffe & Mirkov having learner plates on and Silvagni is a ‘hail mary’ at best. 

Recommendation : the Silvagni experiment has run its course and there is no other real place on the field for him given he is slow, his kicking for goal is 50/50 and he is prone to making costly errors, trade him the Saints so he can be with his Dad (don’t care about “heart & soul”, means nothing if you can do the basics). Work hard to fast-track the development of Mirkov & O’Keeffe so they can hopefully graduate sooner & trade TDK whilst he still has maximum trade value. 

TDK to CHB for me for the rest of the season.....I dont mind Okeefe and Lemmey as players and would give them a taste of senior footy if the season gets away from us.
The hope is Markov can do a Mason Cox and move on from being a lampost and give us something like the big American.
I dont mind Pittonet and reckon he has been ok, he competes well at stoppages and while he wont ever be a major threat around the ground or up forward he is still our best bet as No 1 ruckman unless Mirkov emerges and becomes a player.
Id be more inclined to experiment with Young in the ruck rather than JSOS and felt he would have matched up better with Cameron in those 2nd ruck battles.

[rocky]

TDK to CHB for me for the rest of the season.....I dont mind Okeefe and Lemmey as players and would give them a taste of senior footy if the season gets away from us.
The hope is Markov can do a Mason Cox and move on from being a lampost and give us something like the big American.
I dont mind Pittonet and reckon he has been ok, he competes well at stoppages and while he wont ever be a major threat around the ground or up forward he is still our best bet as No 1 ruckman unless Mirkov emerges and becomes a player.
Id be more inclined to experiment with Young in the ruck rather than JSOS and felt he would have matched up better with Cameron in those 2nd ruck battles.

The season would be seriously shot for us to play this O'Keeffe kid based on his performance against Williamstown. He was seriously out of his depth and I honestly believe he did not get a kick. Well I didn't see it. He was useless. Lemney wasn't much better but at least he kicked a goal. It may have been his only kick! 17 yr old Caddy showed more.

[ElwoodBlues1]

The season would be seriously shot for us to play this O'Keeffe kid based on his performance against Williamstown. He was seriously out of his depth and I honestly believe he did not get a kick. Well I didn't see it. He was useless. Lemney wasn't much better but at least he kicked a goal. It may have been his only kick! 17 yr old Caddy showed more.

I have seen Okeefe perform well at U18 level and he is a good athlete, he needs more meat on the bones but he has the mobility and nous to be a be a player. He probably doesnt deserve promotion based on VFL form but sometimes you find more out about players when you play them in the seniors and they lift with the responsibility.
Samson Ryan playing for Richmond has been given games even though being labelled a spud by a few Tigers supporters I know but has  come along quickly having to shoulder the ruck duties and is showing more than he ever showed in the Ressies and when the season is over imho you have nothing to lose and everything to gain by giving young players a few games and testing them out.

[Gointocarlton]

The season would be seriously shot for us to play this O'Keeffe kid based on his performance against Williamstown. He was seriously out of his depth and I honestly believe he did not get a kick. Well I didn't see it. He was useless. Lemney wasn't much better but at least he kicked a goal. It may have been his only kick! 17 yr old Caddy showed more.

Mirkov, as raw as he is, would have to be the back up if needed.