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(07-23-2021, 03:33 PM)LP link Wrote:You need to review your logic, then do the math.
No i dont. It makes perfect sense. A 48 and 44 year old from both vic and tas died earlier this week after being jabbed.
I know you think the jab is perfect, its not.
Ergo, as we approach full vaccination provided we see a similar approach to eliminating covid in our community (sfa cases hospitalised this year in victoria with 0 covid deaths in 2021) then we are going to see in Melbourne alone 12 million jabs for .009% bad outcomes vs 0 bad outcomes.
Rather than argue with me (again to prove no point) you need to understand that i state this as a pre emptive rebuttal to anyone arguing against the use of said vaccines that the worst of this is still to come and the only protection we have against letting it rip is vaccination.
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(07-23-2021, 09:52 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:To be fair, if they dont get it under control (and so far they have demonstrated they aren't), we could be all Farked if it ravages other states. Dictator Dan said as much yesterday in his presser yesterday.
They're in a world of trouble, that's for sure. Not the first time they've stuffed up.
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(07-23-2021, 10:58 PM)capcom link Wrote:They're in a world of trouble, that's for sure. Not the first time they've stuffed up. Cap the strange bit is, they handled the Ruby Princess with perfection. 744 people walked off that ship riddled with Covid and they managed to contain it by being diligent and strict. This outbreak has been a diabolical shambles, more of exercise in trying to show Victoria how to handle outbreaks. Clearly they haven't shown us shit.
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(07-23-2021, 10:21 PM)Thryleon link Wrote:No i dont. It makes perfect sense. A 48 and 44 year old from both vic and tas died earlier this week after being jabbed.
I know you think the jab is perfect, its not.
Ergo, as we approach full vaccination provided we see a similar approach to eliminating covid in our community (sfa cases hospitalised this year in victoria with 0 covid deaths in 2021) then we are going to see in Melbourne alone 12 million jabs for .009% bad outcomes vs 0 bad outcomes.
Rather than argue with me (again to prove no point) you need to understand that i state this as a pre emptive rebuttal to anyone arguing against the use of said vaccines that the worst of this is still to come and the only protection we have against letting it rip is vaccination.
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(07-23-2021, 12:46 PM)Macca37 link Wrote:What a distorted, egotistical view Gladys presents of NSW's position amongst the states by calling it "a national emergency". Given Scotty from Marketing is the PM of NSW, it all makes sense! 
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(07-23-2021, 10:21 PM)Thryleon link Wrote:No i dont. It makes perfect sense. A 48 and 44 year old from both vic and tas died earlier this week after being jabbed. Do you know the health history of those two folks who sadly passed away?
I know you think the jab is perfect, its not. I've not -- could be wrong -- ever interpreted anything the Spotted One has written that stated the vaccines are perfect.
Ergo, as we approach full vaccination provided we see a similar approach to eliminating covid in our community (sfa cases hospitalised this year in victoria with 0 covid deaths in 2021) then we are going to see in Melbourne alone 12 million jabs for .009% bad outcomes vs 0 bad outcomes. This confuses me, 3 Leos. Again, I could be wrong but, 1) We've seen 0 deaths in VIC this year primarily because there have been strong strategies to protect the community (locksdowns, masks, strong hand washing ethic etc). But when we reach, say, 65% vaccine levels in the community and many measures are relaxed, are you saying that 0 deaths / life threatening infections will not occur? 2) Does your reckoning take into consideration that there will likely, eventually, be around 20% of our community who will not get vaccines for whatever reason? Do you not believe that these unprotected people would likely be vulnerable to infection with potentially negative health outcomes? 3) Does your reckoning take into consideration that this virus, unlike the usual virus' that lessen over time, will worsen and strengthen in transmissibility and effect (a la the Delta strain)?
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(07-23-2021, 10:21 PM)Thryleon date Wrote:No i dont. It makes perfect sense. A 48 and 44 year old from both vic and tas died earlier this week after being jabbed.
I know you think the jab is perfect, its not. Nobody I know taking a rational vaccination position has claimed that, certainly no scientists and no health professionals. Vaccines haven't got 100% efficacy, and they won't be without patients who have reactions, the assertion vaccines aren't perfect is only used by naysayers and anti-vaxxers to create certain uncertainty.
btw., If you answered my earlier question about the reactions to 2nd doses, really thought about it and both possible answers, you'd realise how silly your assertion is that the vaccines will at some point become deadlier than the endemic virus. It just takes a little bit of mindful thought before making a statement to realise how wrong the assertion you've repeated here is.
I'll prompt you to think about this by asking some basic questions if you like, but don't get defensive if it makes your earlier posts look somewhat silly?
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HuffPost reports the Offensive Line coach of the Minnesota Vikings is on the cusp of being booted from the NFL because he refuses to take the vaccine. That’s the way to do it. He still gets to choose to remain unvaccinated if he wishes, but he just has to stop putting others at risk. In the NFL, he’d be putting the Vikings at risk as the NFL has introduced a new rule that any team that has to pull out of a game because of positive Covid tests will forfeit that game if it can’t be rescheduled.
Interesting to hear the Republican Governor of Alabama going ballistic over her fellow Alabamians’ reluctance to vaccinate. When asked what she was going to do about it, she said she’d done everything she could and it was time to blame the unvaccinated. So what’s the pathetic percentage of fully vaccinated people there? 34%.
Sitting at 12%, we could only dream of such a figure. The fact that this is due to a lack of supply rather than a willingness to take the vaccine just makes it worse.
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There is, from what I've read, plenty of AZ doses sitting around unused, unloved and unwanted. At least the government has made a commitment to donating these to other countries in our region, so a massive big ups for that.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/202...-countries
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