CV and mad panic behaviour

[flyboy77]

Bullcrap!

Science has completely confirmed masks reduce the transmission of droplet born virus by as much as 85%.

It is true that the type of masks the general public wear might not stop aerosol based infection, primarily because the general public do not use disposable masks correctly, but that is a different thing altogether to droplet transmission. However, Dr Cath Noakes has noted controlling air turnover in buildings has a significant influence on reducing aerosol transmission. Aerosol transmission is considered to be very unlikely in open or well ventilated spaces.

Interestingly preliminary indications are this Influenza season will be less prevalent primarily due the wider global use of masks in public spaces.

Aerosol transmission is considered to be very unlikely in open or well ventilated spaces.

Gee, who would have thought?

Let's see your study. i'll rip it to shreds in seconds.....if it's even on point.

Did you read the Danish RCT study from late last year?

Or you could start here....

https://aapsonline.org/mask-facts/

But entirely typical of your standard blustering response - no supporting reference, just I'm a scientist, I know better than you - end of story..

[Gointocarlton]

So the immanent reintroduction of international flights into Melb, is that for returned travellers (ie Aussie Citizens) or general holiday makers? If its for the latter, they can get f-ed

[madbluboy]

Is that true, the "reserved for doctors" comment.

I told her she should ask for the Pfizer. She asked and was told by her boss that she would have to go to travel to Dandenong hospital for that and she said she was willing. Then the boss got back to her and said sorry the Pfizer is only for doctors.

[northernblue]

I told her she should ask for the Pfizer. She asked and was told by her boss that she would have to go to travel to Dandenong hospital for that and she said she was willing. Then the boss got back to her and said sorry the Pfizer is only for doctors.

Sort of interesting but there’s nothing to substantiate the bosses knowledge/lack of, of anything.
If one of my staff wanted to know what vaccine they were getting I’d say “I’m a tiler, ask me about sticking them down shiny side up”

[flyboy77]

And for all those who hold onto to the rhetoric that Sweden did badly - because of no lock downs, no masks etc.

This might finally get you to quieten down.

See attached.

(And no, it's not Bjorn and Benny cuddling in the nude!)

[LP]

But entirely typical of your standard blustering response - no supporting reference, just I'm a scientist, I know better than you - end of story..

Do you actually read what you link, the studies completely support what I posted. You've posted a link and only picked out the bits and pieces you like from the introduction, while the whole article goes on to explain why your general anti-mask argument is completely and unequivocally wrong!

A properly fitted N95 will block 95% of tiny air particles down to 0.3 μm from reaching the wearer’s face.

Most N95 rated masks (not respirators) even disposable ones filter down to sub-micron level, but they are only effective if you change them regularly which is the problem the public has. People wear the same disposable mask day in day out and once they are damp and contaminated from the moisture in exhalations they aren't as effective.

Evaluated 44 masks, respirators, and other materials with similar methods and small aerosols (0.08 and 0.22 µm)
N95 FFR filter — >95% efficiency
Medical masks — 55% efficiency
General (cloth) masks — 38% efficiency
Handkerchiefs — 2% (one layer) to 13% (four layers) efficiency.

N95 masks are the best, but not necessarily N95 respirators because they might have pressure relief valves that open during exhalation. General medical masks are almost as effective as an open window. The commercial cloth masks and other types are partially effective for droplets, the homemade single layer types of bandana or gaiter are almost useless.

That scatter gun approach you employ has shot your own argument in the foot, ................ again! ;D

[LP]

And for all those who hold onto to the rhetoric that Sweden did badly - because of no lock downs, no masks etc.

This might finally get you to quieten down.

Nobody claimed Sweden did badly, your generalising when people refer to countries like Norway and Denmark as Nordic nations, Sweden haven't followed the path of other Nordic countries at all, and it has quickly adopted a strong COVID-19 policy including vaccination and mask wearing.

Sweden is great example of what happens when you stop listening to the loopy conspiracists and start respect the science.

I can't imagine how you pick out examples that so badly support your argument, surely you aren't so unlucky that this happens by chance?

[flyboy77]

Do you actually read what you link, the studies completely support what I posted. You've posted a link and only picked out the bits and pieces you like from the introduction, while the whole article goes on to explain why your general anti-mask argument is completely and unequivocally wrong! Most N95 rated masks (not respirators) even disposable ones filter down to sub-micron level, but they are only effective if you change them regularly which is the problem the public has. People wear the same disposable mask day in day out and once they are damp and contaminated from the moisture in exhalations they aren't as effective.N95 masks are the best, but not necessarily N95 respirators because they might have pressure relief valves that open during exhalation. General medical masks are almost as effective as an open window. The commercial cloth masks and other types are partially effective for droplets, the homemade single layer types of bandana or gaiter are almost useless.

That scatter gun approach you employ has shot your own argument in the foot, ................ again! ;D

You've gone and cherry picked.

You focus on the N95 masks and the like.

How many punters in the street wear N95s.....

Jesus LP, that's poor.

[flyboy77]

Nobody claimed Sweden did badly, your generalising when people refer to countries like Norway and Denmark as Nordic nations, Sweden haven't followed the path of other Nordic countries at all, and it has quickly adopted a strong COVID-19 policy including vaccination and mask wearing.

Sweden is great example of what happens when you stop listening to the loopy conspiracists and start respect the science.

I can't imagine how you pick out examples that so badly support your argument, surely you aren't so unlucky that this happens by chance?

I laughed aloud when I read that comment.

Very funny.

[LP]

You've gone and cherry picked.

You focus on the N95 masks and the like.

Nope, I listed all the masks and efficacies taken from the article you link.