Australian Open 2020

[capcom]

Far too self indulgent for my liking and stands populated by the "beautiful people".

[Thryleon]

Why do they need perfect silence to serve? At local tennis they have cars driving past, kids walking dogs and talking to each other, planes flying overhead. Too precious to expect complete silence, you're getting paid millions, just block it out and get on with it

The tennis has always been about decorum and silence.  Very high brow and clapping.  It's always been a sport that takes itself seriously.  Possibly too seriously, and the fans have always traditionally been quietened down by the umpires.  They have been woeful at this of late.

The players have the right to expect that the fans are quiet.  Djokovic has never felt the love from the Australian supporters and frankly my experience growing up says it's a deep seeded racial thing to people who hail from the Balkan area.

It is very common for a player to halt their service motion and wait for silence prior to serving.  Add a timer and you have a recipe for time violation if one feels the noise is going on for too long and the umpire doesn't agree.  I'll remind you at this point that the umpire starts said timer.

[LP]

The players have the right to expect that the fans are quiet.  Djokovic has never felt the love from the Australian supporters and frankly my experience growing up says it's a deep seeded racial thing to people who hail from the Balkan area.

Rrrrriiiighhhtttt!

Except it was the travelling entourages of Djoko, Raf and Fed as well as some from other EU opponents that were the biggest offenders! :o

What Aust Open failed to do was control the crowd in a typical EU totalitarian fashion, we had no sub-machine gun armed para-military on hand, not a single flak-jacketed special force to be seen, it was completely free. The exact opposite of Wimbledon and the French Open which is like going to a tennis match at a prison!

The same travelling supporter crews do not cause much trouble in the US, because they can't get a visa to get in!

[madbluboy]

Why do they need perfect silence to serve? At local tennis they have cars driving past, kids walking dogs and talking to each other, planes flying overhead. Too precious to expect complete silence, you're getting paid millions, just block it out and get on with it

At local level if someone outside the court screams out while you're about to serve it's usually a "take two".

[madbluboy]

The players have the right to expect that the fans are quiet.  Djokovic has never felt the love from the Australian supporters and frankly my experience growing up says it's a deep seeded racial thing to people who hail from the Balkan area.

Spot on.

[LP]

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The players have the right to expect that the fans are quiet.  Djokovic has never felt the love from the Australian supporters and frankly my experience growing up says it's a deep seeded racial thing to people who hail from the Balkan area.

      Spot on.
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I see, it's all about race! :o

Except it's been asserted fans screaming during the serve helps the server more than the receiver, it's analogous to the cheating grunters who scream to mask the sound of the serve. A few years back after the controversial revelations from some Florida based players and coaches, the ATP even conducted a study which apparently showed when hearing is removed a top end players ability to to assess the speed and direction of the serve is significantly degraded. It's one of the main reasons the grunting exists, and not at all to do with breathing or peak energy, that's just a lie the grunting cheats propagate.

[Thryleon]

^^

Do not dismiss my experience based on real world examples of "f**k off back to where you came from" with some hyperbole.

I don't care about grunting.  The players are not supposed to do things like that either, and there are on court violations available.  They stopped dishing them out, because Serena and Venus Williams are the worst proponents of this and then ATP didnt want to appear hypocritical.

Trust me, grow up with a surname ending in opoulos, and you will experience first hand just how racist Australia can be.  We are just greatful the hatred is now being aimed at the Asians for a change but every so often you get a reminder that you arent fully accepted you are just the best of the "bad bunch".

[LP]

Do not dismiss my experience based on real world examples of "f**k off back to where you came from" with some hyperbole.

Firstly, the is no hyperbole in what I wrote, I've exaggerated nothing just described it as it is!

If you want a critical assessment of the racism references in your earlier statements. Firstly, I never discussed race, but I'd say you've used inclusive language and grossly generalised your private and personal experiences of racism and applied them to the wider community.

You know as well as any the entourages are not monocultural, I never stated that they were monocultural, which is specifically why I used the term entourage. In fact the supporter base is mutlicultural, it's the media that narrowly focuses on and reports some specific subset usually because a small segment have a specific flag or uniform that makes a great picture!

The assertion that Djoko isn't supported here because of a race thing is rubbish, as rubbish as Williams claiming her lack of support is due to skin color and not her abhorent behavior.

Djoko's probably not supported here for multiple reasons, highly likely because culturally Australia barracks for the underdog, nothing more nothing less, Djoko hardly fits the bill! Why isn't he liked like Federer, I expect the answer truly lies in their different behaviors on court rather than where they were born or who their parents were!

Undoubtedly there is a small percentage of the supporter base who are racist, just like football, but that doesn't excuse the use of inclusive language. You even must accept that in the case of those hating Balkans heritage players it may well be a percentage are culturally indoctrinated EU expatriates! Hardly a case for use of globally inclusive language!

[capcom]

Don't wish to insert myself into this "to and fro" beyond this comment, but to suggest "Australia is racist" Thry (paraphrasing your words) is certainly not my life experience.

You can't homogenize nationalities any more than you can neighbours.

Siding with LP on this one, especially the pathetic attempts to pushing the rules.  THAT'S what we despise.  It's transparent and playing the victim.

[Thryleon]

Capcom, side with whomever you like.  The crowd was against Djokovic, before the match was in full swing, and were clearly not on his side and this was before any perceived rule bending which dismisses your entire argument.

It also says a bit about you that you have to paraphrase my point with "Australia is racist".

Poor form.

That's a straw mans fallacy if I have ever seen one.