Post Game Passion AFL Rd 10: Carlton vs St Kilda

[ElwoodBlues1]

You're looking at specifics EB, that's too miss the point.

Why so many of our lot looking listless, disinterested and playing accordingly?

You do the above when you are used to losing and motivation falls away, we got off to a good start
on the back of Cripps then they got in front and some of our blokes thought close enough is good enough
and yep thats a coaching issue.
I only commented on McGovern because Jack raised his name but we didnt have any real winners today and only a few break evens.
Kerr, Deluca(if drafted) in this week....
I'd be trying positional changes too...Newman on a wing, Kennedy half back flank etc etc

[Jack Burton]

I think it's time to bring Kerr in, but he and McKay play similar roles, so they'll have to work that out. I'd like to see both C Curnow and McKay play much higher up the ground and give Kerr space inside 50, but of course the opposition will be working to make sure that doesn't happen

[Thryleon]

We simply need time.

Time for our youngsters to truly grow into their bodies.

Time played together to know each others strengths and weaknesses.

Time for our youngsters to become seasoned competitors.

Time for them to build belief in their abilities.

Time playing to the same game plan so the kids know what to do on game day.

Time doing it so they can learn when to stick to the plan and when to deviate.



I'm firmly of the belief that our coaches know more about the game than we do, and that where we see a player taking us apart and we wonder why he isnt being tagged, our coaches are wondering where his opponent is, and why he's let him run free.

Ever wondered why we constantly seem out numbered?  The answer is simple.  Too many aren't working up and down hard enough for long enough.

[flyboy77]

You do the above when you are used to losing and motivation falls away, we got off to a good start
on the back of Cripps then they got in front and some of our blokes thought close enough is good enough
and yep thats a coaching issue.
I only commented on McGovern because Jack raised his name but we didnt have any real winners today and only a few break evens.
Kerr, Deluca(if drafted) in this week....
I'd be trying positional changes too...Newman on a wing, Kennedy half back flank etc etc

ps I agree with you on the Guv.

He needs a rocket or time in the 2s...

Bolton needs to reward guys in the 2s who show something, anything - and dump names in the 1s if they're not getting a job done (which is pretty much everyone bar Cripps).

[Lods]

We simply need time.

Time for our youngsters to truly grow into their bodies.

Time played together to know each others strengths and weaknesses.

Time for our youngsters to become seasoned competitors.

Time for them to build belief in their abilities.

Time playing to the same game plan so the kids know what to do on game day.

Time doing it so they can learn when to stick to the plan and when to deviate.



I'm firmly of the belief that our coaches know more about the game than we do, and that where we see a player taking us apart and we wonder why he isnt being tagged, our coaches are wondering where his opponent is, and why he's let him run free.

Ever wondered why we constantly seem out numbered?  The answer is simple.  Too many aren't working up and down hard enough for long enough.

Time is the key.
The way this rebuild was structured injected an element of 'time' that gave an extra period for developing the list that would not usually have been sustainable.
That reduced the normal pressures on administration, list managers and coaches.
They were given longer than others in the past.
Very smart, very well sold.
But time can also be very fickle and there comes a point when it no longer works in your favour and counts against you (It's taking too long, You've had enough time.)


The longer it then takes the greater the pressure grows.
It grows quickly once it really starts to impact.
And the greater the pressure grows the more likely there will be change.

While individual supporters may maintain a faith until the end, those with the actual responsibility for administering the process will be the ones under the pump.
If every one of these holds their nerve in two or three years time we may have a good mid-aged competitive list.
In fact I'm pretty certain we will anyway...the question is 'how good' and 'how sustainable'?
And to believe all the current personnel will still be in place in their current roles just seems unrealistic.

[Professer E]

People are seeing it now....MacGovern is either a bludger,  or he conserves energy by not putting in,  which suggests no tank.  So hard questions need to be asked. He certainly isn't earning his cheque.

Never been sold on him either,  only ever plays five minutes a game,  then isn't sighted.  But he has a lot if mates in that regard.

[flyboy77]

People are seeing it now....MacGovern is either a bludger,  or he conserves energy by not putting in,  which suggests no tank.  So hard questions need to be asked. He certainly isn't earning his cheque.

Never been sold on him either,  only ever plays five minutes a game,  then isn't sighted.  But he has a lot if mates in that regard.

And yet, with a functional midfield, he'd likely be good for 4-5 goals a game....

Maybe he's just realised what a basket case he's walked into...?

[Thryleon]

Time is the key.
The way this rebuild was structured injected an element of 'time' that gave an extra period for developing the list that would not usually have been sustainable.
That reduced the normal pressures on administration, list managers and coaches.
They were given longer than others in the past.
Very smart, very well sold.
But time can also be very fickle and there comes a point when it no longer works in your favour and counts against you (It's taking too long, You've had enough time.)


The longer it then takes the greater the pressure grows.
It grows quickly once it really starts to impact.
And the greater the pressure grows the more likely there will be change.

While individual supporters may maintain a faith until the end, those with the actual responsibility for administering the process will be the ones under the pump.
If every one of these holds their nerve in two or three years time we may have a good mid-aged competitive list.
In fact I'm pretty certain we will anyway...the question is 'how good' and 'how sustainable'?
And to believe all the current personnel will still be in place in their current roles just seems unrealistic.

I don't disagree lods.

In the words of bon Jovi we are halfway there and living on a prayer.

The thing is, it's not until the kids are the seasoned competitors (with or without cripps and docherty) that the rebuild will have achieved what it was supposed to. 

Look at this line up:

Williamson--------weitering‐----------Plowman

Marchbank‐-------macreadie‐--------stocker

Sps‐--------------------setterfield------------fisher

McGovern‐----------Curnow-------------cunningham

Salvagni--------------mckay---------------polson


De koning-----------dow----------------walsh

Int:  o'Brien, cripps, docherty, Pickett


Get 75 games average into that starting 18 and that's when the rebuild will show it's worth.

[Thryleon]

People are seeing it now....MacGovern is either a bludger,  or he conserves energy by not putting in,  which suggests no tank.  So hard questions need to be asked. He certainly isn't earning his cheque.

Never been sold on him either,  only ever plays five minutes a game,  then isn't sighted.  But he has a lot if mates in that regard.

Had that back injury in pre season and we haven't seen his best since.

I said it back in January.  Ditto kreuzer and probably a few others.

[Mantis]

Oh no.