Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 7: Carlton vs. North Melbourne

[JonDorotich]

What a waste of emotional energy. Waited all week for this game. Next 4 games will seal Bolton’s firing: Pies, Giants, Saints, Bombers. 1-10 coming up.

So many passengers. And 60,000 paid up, expecting Members. Time is running out. LP said it best the other day. You can’t have it both ways and not expect criticism if you’re selling such high hopes to expectant Members. Deliver or else.

We need a mature Ruckman and Setterfield and Kennedy in there to help Cripps next week. At least that’ll give us a chance to rest him up forward and cause opposition to do some thinking and spare the poor bugger. Instead of just making it easy for them.

I’d also be nice to have a Coach who has a plan B that he has the courage to implement. Otherwise he might as well watch the game at home. I see very little to convince me that he can Coach on Game Day.

Throw picks at Sydney for Papley (small forward) and get a mature Ruckman in the mid season draft. Whatever. Just don’t ever play Lobbe or Phillips again. And drop Plowman, Cas, LOB and Murphy. No one is safe from lack of effort, or laughing when your friend is lying unconscious on the turf. What a. Total. Twat.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Plowman is not the quickest thinking fella. Its not just skill errors. Something is not right there. Makes so many dumb decisions and has terrible, terrible half hearted body language. Not what you want your young crop to be surrounded by and absorbing. Same as LOB and Murphy. Effort fellas. Just. Get. Stuck. In. Whether you play 1 game or 250. If you play the Blues, you need to expect to scrap. And we gift games to individuals who don’t do that. And you wonder why they do it every game. Pathetic.

Let’s see what our illustrious Coach and Match Committee can do. How courageous will they be to drop players for lack of effort, not just enforced changes due to injury. I remain unconvinced. With Jones and the others out...ahh forget it.

I’d make plans now to get the interviews underway for a new Coach.

I need to go for a walk and cool off. Very disheartened.

Couldn't agree more on Plowman. Wouldn't be phased if he never plays again - he's played well before but he's never going to be that good and certainly nowher near justifyng the hefty draft price SOS paid at GWS. He consistently makes poor decisions.

in reality Plowman, LOB, post Colligwood Daisy, post 200 Murphy & Cas etc all very average, arguably with limited upside but we've got limited choices. When Jones is replaced by Goodard this week, expect a world record number of holding the balls as we'll have three of the slowest defenders in living memory coming out of defence - Weitering, Goddard, Plowman. Weitering took a step back today also and I have to say that Marchbank is also testing my patience with his lack of composure.

[Baggers]

Baggers, who was laughing when Jones was KO'd?

I don't know... but I saw someone post here that one of ours was having a giggle with a Kangabies player while Jones lay unconscious... like you I am keen to know who this pr1ck is...  >

[ElwoodBlues1]

I knew it was coming, could read it like a book. Struggling side under immense pressure from the media, enter Carlton the circuit breaker. Until we can arrest that trend and be the reason other coaches are sacked, more of the same and more frustration for us lies ahead. I turned it off after 1/4 time and went out to prune the roses as I had seen enough. As disappointing a game as I have seen from us.

Also, I saw vision of Stocker at the start of the game, he had a look on his face like he was crapting his pants. His first kick was a turnover, dont know how he went qtrs 2 3 and 4.

Stocker was ok and I would be keeping him in the team, bad day to play your first game and the pressure/physicality was at a high level from North.

[Woodstock]

Baggers, who was laughing when Jones was KO'd?

It was Plowman. Irrespective of what was said to make him laugh, you need very little emotional intelligence or empathy to understand that there is a time and place for it. Ideally, the senior players, whom I believe Plowman is one of, should have brought the players into a huddle to focus them.

[Baggers]

Headline should read tomorrow

Carlton Again folds when under physical pressure.

Jack Silvagni, Daisy Thomas, Zac Fisher and Jacob Weitering, you can hold your heads up and JOnes, Walsh & Stocker, I'll give you a pass but everyone else needs a good old fashioned bollocking, starting with Cripps & Murphy our so called leaders.

Cripps was found wanting, it's easy to go in hard against non hard players, but where was the desire inside? Murphy, you need to retire, players waltz through your tackles, you don't run anywhere near as hard as you used to and your disposal and decision making is diabolical.

Marchbank runs around looking for frees and is 50/50 on his disposal at best. He doesn't intercept mark anymore so what is he actually good for.
Plowman did a couple of decent things but his complete lack of intensity and skill makes him a D grade player.
Williamson on that effort should be straight back to the 2s
O'Brien is a boy playing a mans game and looks scared.

Casboult is still a dud, one good game against a small team in the Doggies and now he's back to good old sh1t Casboult
McKay was slaughtered and looks tired.
C Curnow not enough
Cunningham goes missing every game he plays
E Curnow has had his one wood taken away. They said he was a forward to create pressure, I'd love to know how many forward line tackles he's laid this season.
Gibbons another Lamb/Kerridge/Lucas/Boekhurst

Philips is a c grade ruckman, which I suppose is better than the d grader in Lobbe
SPS the game gets physical and he goes missing
Dow poor and unskilled

Team selection - It's not a secret that North have big strong bodies around the ball so why leave Setterfield out?

Coaching - It's been 4 years and still we have not taught/ trained or mids to run back hard. I lost count of how many times I saw Murphy and Cripps just jogging after players after they marked or kicked into 50, and they are our leaders give me a screwkking break.

Bolton - at half time, Fox showed a video where you were saying how well the players have done as they have won half their quarters that they played. The fact that you lost 5 game this season trumps that by a long way. If that is how you coach then it's no wonder that they get all warm and fuzzy with losing every week.

Silvagni any chance you could draft or trade for some real mongrel players?

It's been 18 years of this utter rubbish, sure we won a couple of finals, but we are the only team in that time period that has not made a prelim (gold coast aside).

I understand we are young, but being young doesn't prevent you from trying.

To see Plowman laughing when players were huddling for Jones' injury, 1 his team mate was being stretchered off and 2 we were being slaughtered, made my blood boil. I hope he is dropped and delisted at the end of the year.

This game is a true reflection of where we are, and it's still nowhere.

If Bolton comes out and says we are hurting with you again, I'll spew. It's a job for him, if he gets sacked tomorrow and rehired next season at another club then he'll hurt for them. If a player gets delisted or traded then they don't care what happens to Carlton, but we the true supporters do. I've paid my membership every year since the salary cap scandal, I pay for an interstate membership, which is basically a donation as I don't go to games being in Launceston apart from once a season and this year is was against the Bulldogs so an away game.

I don't get to be sacked or traded, I hurt for every game that is lost, I hurt when I see zero effort by some players, I hurt when at the start of the season we are promised an improved side and get the same rubbish year in and year out. I hurt when I see my sons getting teased on the play ground for supporting Carlton.

I want Bolton to get angry at the players, tell the Carlton faithful that it was not good enough and assure that players like Plowman, Marchbank are on notice or better still dropped, cause the Collingwood forwards will treat then like rag dolls next week.

So glad you highlighted this. I nearly hit the roof when I saw that... Mrs Baggers and the dog left the room (and the dog is a Doberman!!). Any wonder our blokes play the way they do... still speechless and flabbergasted...

[LoveNavy]

I think Murph has to think long and hard about his future.  If he's contracted for 202O as well he needs to consider if he wants to truly play and contribute, because he's just embarrassing himself now. 

As does Lachie O'Brien.  Start attacking the contest or F off and play netball.  I wasn't happy when we drafted this bloke and I am yet to see anything different.  Time for a cup of concrete Lachlan.

As for Casboult, words fail me.  Coach killer.


I can handle losing, but I can't handle shirkers.  Just give the 60 000 long suffering members a fair dinkum effort, is it too much to ask?

I don't want to single Murphy out, as there was too little from too many across the field.
That said, I haven't seen much from Murphy this season that inspires me. And I've been a fan.
There's something not right. A bloke who's been around for so long will know exactly what that is, and whether it is fixable.
I'd be asking the hard questions and reminding him of the mid season draft deadline,  which I think is looming. There's an out that is respectful and for the greater good.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Plowman and Marchbank have been poor for a while...both over-rated terrible decision makers with ball in hand, if we had anything better I would drop them.
Plowman was laughing about something and it wasnt a good look when Jones was so badly hurt..its scary thinking of no Jones next week and Weitering with kids like Stocker
and Williamson taking on Collingwoods vast array of forward talent.

[laj]

It was Plowman. Irrespective of what was said to make him laugh, you need very little emotional intelligence or empathy to understand that there is a time and place for it. Ideally, the senior players, whom I believe Plowman is one of, should have brought the players into a huddle to focus them.

I'm not sure you can take one moment in time and make something of it without context. How do we know someone didn't do one big, loud, dirty, smelly fart in the huddle. That'd get a chuckle at a funeral wake.

[laj]

Plowman and Marchbank have been poor for a while...both over-rated terrible decision makers with ball in hand, if we had anything better I would drop them.
Plowman was laughing about something and it wasnt a good look when Jones was so badly hurt..its scary thinking of no Jones next week and Weitering with kids like Stocker
and Williamson taking on Collingwoods vast array of forward talent.

Marchbank might be like Weitering, better when he gets a real role, not one defensive tall amongst 4.

[JonDorotich]

I don't want to single Murphy out, as there was too little from too many across the field.
That said, I haven't seen much from Murphy this season that inspires me. And I've been a fan.
There's something not right. A bloke who's been around for so long will know exactly what that is, and whether it is fixable.
I'd be asking the hard questions and reminding him of the mid season draft deadline,  which I think is looming. There's an out that is respectful and for the greater good.

Gibbs & Murphy have been picking and choosing when to play for 2-3 years after a decade of disappointment and that's a hard habit to break. Pick and choose at a decent side with some depth, you're dropped.

Murphy knows that he can run-by or stick an arm in the contest and there will be no repercussion at the selection table.