Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 7: Carlton vs. North Melbourne

[DJC]

Not sure how it can be a predictable loss vs the bottom team who have very little in the way of star power and have been woeful all year...we got smashed by 10 goals...didnt read or hear anyone
predict that.Any team can lose to another and no game is a sure thing but 10 goals is another story. You have to have consequences if you are serious about progressing as a club when you lose in the manner we did.
Thats not acceptable after a 4 year rebuild, you have to have standards and a line in the sand.

Did you look at the odds before the game?  The bookies were on the money.

What is predictable is that inexperienced teams like ours will both over- and under-perform.  What you can't predict is when either will happen. 

I'll head to the game on Saturday hoping that we will over-perform 

[ElwoodBlues1]

Did you look at the odds before the game?  The bookies were on the money.

What is predictable is that inexperienced teams like ours will both over- and under-perform.  What you can't predict is when either will happen. 

I'll head to the game on Saturday hoping that we will over-perform 

Did see the odds at one stage..think we were a bit above $2 and the Roos were under $2....doesnt equate to a ten goal smashing....the odds this week do though.

4 wins out of 39 games suggests if you back under-perform you might have your nose in front of the bookies....
Enjoy the game, maybe keep your money in your wallet this week..

[Gointocarlton]

@EB
I cant argue with what you have posted. I had a rant post ready to go yesterday but pulled the pin on it. It touched on a few of the points you mentioned, the delivery of my post however was alot less sophisticated if you know what I mean. But I would say this, if we went down the track, a replacement would have to tick a few boxes for me.
1. He would need to be able to work with the road map for the list that we have in place now. I would think that disrupting it would set us back years.
2. No first timers, needs to be an established coach who knows how to manage a young group but hit them between the eyes  in the right way when needed. Also needs to be in touch with the modern game and where its headed.
3. Must have premiership experience which means it would need to be one of (in no particular order or preference):
Clarkson
Simpson
Longmire
C Scott
Hardwick
Beveridge
Worsfold
The assumption here is that Bolts cant take us to the promised land, therefore if I was going to move him on, I would want someone that knows the way with the list we have. The thing with the list above is that none are available, which meets Dick Pratt's criteria (which I really like) of "dont get the best available because if they are available, they aren't the best. Get the best in the business". My thoughts are that the best in the business is not someone on trainer wheels. If it is, stay with what you have and build him up, through support and training, to be the man.
Dunno if any of the above makes sense, they are just my thoughts.

[blueboys_1]

@EB
I cant argue with what you have posted. I had a rant post ready to go yesterday but pulled the pin on it. It touched on a few of the points you mentioned, the delivery of my post however was alot less sophisticated if you know what I mean. But I would say this, if we went down the track, a replacement would have to tick a few boxes for me.
1. He would need to be able to work with the road map for the list that we have in place now. I would think that disrupting it would set us back years.
2. No first timers, needs to be an established coach who knows how to manage a young group but hit them between the eyes  in the right way when needed. Also needs to be in touch with the modern game and where its headed.
3. Must have premiership experience which means it would need to be one of (in no particular order or preference):
Clarkson
Simpson
Longmire
C Scott
Hardwick
Beveridge
Worsfold
The assumption here is that Bolts cant take us to the promised land, therefore if I was going to move him on, I would want someone that knows the way with the list we have. The thing with the list above is that none are available, which meets Dick Pratt's criteria (which I really like) of "dont get the best available because if they are available, they aren't the best. Get the best in the business". My thoughts are that the best in the business is not someone on trainer wheels. If it is, stay with what you have and build him up, through support and training, to be the man.
Dunno if any of the above makes sense, they are just my thoughts.

Agree with most of this GTC, however you left out one premiership coach who is available ATM, Paul Roos. I know most people on here hate him, and if you take their view he hates US as well, however he has the runs on the board and could/would take us to the next level. I'm sure if there was immediate improvement, if he became our coach, everyone would stop bitching about our performances and start looking at the our future which is brighter than some of the teams currently above us.

I'm also frustrated/angry/pissed off etc, by this season of near misses and almost wins, and the shellacking that we got on the weekend, however today I am more optimistic than I was on Sunday. I know that in a year or two we will be waving to the teams on the way down as we pass them on the way up.

My wants this year are to see improvement, which there has been, and to stick it to Adelaide and get their draft pick which will be close or about the same as theirs in regards to the Stocker trade. The first one has been ticked off, that second one we will see what happens though the rest of the season.

GO BLUES

[madbluboy]

We lost to the bottom team by 10 goals, no excuses.

[Mantis]

We lost to the bottom team by 10 goals, no excuses.

I think Cripps in his interview gave us the same feeling. Not being mentally ready for a challenge against a side at their worst is poor. Coaches need to be accountable but surely players need to have a good look in the mirror at themselves. They need to be accountable for how they bring intensity to a contest. It is something the playing group need to work on. Are they just earning a pay cheque or are they out there to stand for something?

[tonyo]

We lost to the bottom team by 10 goals, no excuses.

It seems this year that the bottom team ain't what it used to be.  Competition is more level than ever, and if you turn up without being switched on, you will get smashed.

I have a Richmond mate who reminded me of this little beauty he witnessed - Round 16, 2017

ST KILDA          5.3        14.8      19.8      21.12
RICHMOND        1.3        1.4        4.9      10.11

Familiar looking scoreline?  The Tigers only lost one game after that and creamed everyone to win the flag.  Not saying that is what we will do, but sometimes a flogging can be the pressure point that creates a diamond.

Time for some in Navy Blue to stop looking like talented kids and get a bit serious about how the game is approached. 

[PaulP]

Nice post tonyo.

[madbluboy]

It seems this year that the bottom team ain't what it used to be.  Competition is more level than ever, and if you turn up without being switched on, you will get smashed.

I have a Richmond mate who reminded me of this little beauty he witnessed - Round 16, 2017

ST KILDA          5.3        14.8      19.8      21.12
RICHMOND        1.3        1.4        4.9      10.11

Familiar looking scoreline?  The Tigers only lost one game after that and creamed everyone to win the flag.  Not saying that is what we will do, but sometimes a flogging can be the pressure point that creates a diamond.

Time for some in Navy Blue to stop looking like talented kids and get a bit serious about how the game is approached.

I agree the competition is more even, except for us. We are consistently crap.

[Thryleon]

Interesting exercise.  Total games experience.


Carlton


B

    Tom Williamson (16), Liam Jones (119), Lachie Plowman (80)

HB

    Marc Murphy (256), Jacob Weitering (63), Dale Thomas (245)

C

    Zac Fisher (41), Patrick Cripps (88), Lochie O'Brien (23)

HF

    Charlie Curnow (51), Jack Silvagni (46), Ed Curnow (150)

F

    Sam Petrevski-Seton (49), Harry McKay (22), Michael Gibbons (7)

Fol

    Andrew Phillips  (39), Liam Stocker (1), David Cuningham (19)

I/C

    Paddy Dow (27), Sam Walsh (7), Caleb Marchbank (40), Levi Casboult (109)


Total Games experience:  1498





North Melbourne

B

    Jamie Macmillan (146), Robbie Tarrant (133), Jasper Pittard (133)

HB

    Marley Williams (106), Scott D. Thompson (228), Shaun Atley (183)

C

    Trent Dumont (67), Shaun Higgins (209), Jared Polec (113)

HF

    Tarryn Thomas (5), Taylor Garner (35), Jack Ziebell (195)

F

    Kayne Turner  (65), Ben Brown (106), Nick Larkey (4)

Fol

    Todd Goldstein (219), Ben Cunnington (194), Jed Anderson (50)

I/C

    Jy Simpkin (41), Sam Wright (135), Mason Wood (44), Cameron Zurhaar (13)

Total Games Experience:  2424 games.

What is remarkable is how experienced their defense and midfield were vs ours.