If Not BB, Who?

[IvanAwfulbigone]

Whilst we have Mathiesons and Pratts pulling the strings, we will be a basket case. How long have they been involved at our club? How many coaches and CEOs have they sacked? Where has it got us? Common denominator?

Amen brother. Amen. Time to chisel off these barnacles. But how?

We’ve all heard the story of how George Harris became so fed up with an underperforming Carlton in 1964 that he turned to his mate and said he’d had enough. Premiership 3 years later in ‘68.

Is anyone here cashed up enough to replicate this scenario? Can we, as mere members, storm the Bastille (condolences to our French comrades in this difficult time. Rest assured, my dear cheese eating surrender monkeys, that the good lady will be rebuilt quicker than the Carlton Football Club!)?

Isn’t there an American club wholly owned by its members? Green Bay Packers?

[ElwoodBlues1]

Well, I'd be curious to know the % of fact to fantasy. Bolton mentioned in his last presser that he wants to avoid over coaching Walsh, so it seems as though on some level he understands the concept.

Maybe he tried to over coach a few other kids initially and its didnt go down well especially if one kids name was Silvagni?
Take your point on Buckley but his defense lawyer Eddie McGuire was the right man to have in your corner at the right time, not sure BB has that type of heavyweight support.
I'm with Prof that I dont see the point of sacking Bolton mid season and I'm more of a fan of a overall club review rather than just the usual sack the coach routine.

[Lods]

I'm not averse to sacking  Bolton,  but not during the season.  I don't see how a measured decision can be made while the season is on. Any time after the coach is sacked is dead time,  might as well pack up for the Year. Why front up?

I think even among the Bolton doubters most would see a mid-season sacking as a bit pointless.

If he were to be sacked now it would split the club.
I suspect the number who still maintain the faith still retains the majority.
And to abandon it would leave us in a "What the F*** now!" situation
There's no obvious replacement and any new coach would only be there in a caretaker role.
Much more sensible to see it through until the end of the year and then make the call.

It's delicately poised.
We're not playing for draft picks.
So winning is on the agenda.
If we can snag a few wins without any catastrophic losses he can survive.

[Thryleon]

I think even among the Bolton doubters most would see a mid-season sacking as a bit pointless.

If he were to be sacked now it would split the club.
I suspect the number who still maintain the faith still retains the majority.
And to abandon it would leave us in a "What the F*** now!" situation
There's no obvious replacement and any new coach would only be there in a caretaker role.
Much more sensible to see it through until the end of the year and then make the call.

It's delicately poised.
We're not playing for draft picks.
So winning is on the agenda.
If we can snag a few wins without any catastrophic losses he can survive.

We cant afford to sack Bolton after our strategy of the last 4 years.


We would look absolutely rudderless,  reactive and like we have gone through a process only to get it so badly wrong it could only have been faked.

I'd be calling a review of everything at end of season and doing nothing else aside from signaling the beginning of it now.

[JonHenry]

4 more losses and he is cooked.
And so he should be.

He has displayed nothing at this stage that suggests he can do the job.
Yes he’s a teacher blah blah
There is no point teaching someone stuff when they should be focusing on other things although that is probably what our education system has done for a hundred years

He is either the right man for the job or he’s not.
The best thing for young players is success and these guys are starting to look mentally shot after all these losses

For those that say wait, what if he leaves and we win 5 of the next 10 games? Is it worth it then?

Will that help the kids more than continuing to lose?

[flyboy77]

We cant afford to sack Bolton after our strategy of the last 4 years.


We would look absolutely rudderless,  reactive and like we have gone through a process only to get it so badly wrong it could only have been faked.

I'd be calling a review of everything at end of season and doing nothing else aside from signaling the beginning of it now.

We already look absolutely rudderless....

[PaulP]

People have no idea what goes on behind closed doors, and so look for public, visible signs that the club is taking action. Sacking the coach is one such visible sign, because then the club looks like it's doing something ? Turn it up.

We've been down this road numerous times. As Elwood says, do a proper review / audit like the Pies and Tigers, use the same mob they used, and I'll bet they find that the problem isn't the senior coach. But no, we're Carlton, so behaving professionally and wearing some heat simply isn't possible.

[PaulP]

Quite apart from that, what decent prospective coach will actually want the job ? They'll have no time to settle in, because the board and dumb fans are tired of waiting, and want success right now. They'll have two club legends breathing down their necks, with one of those legends having two sons on the list, possibly a third by the time the new coach settles in etc.

Crazy.

[JonHenry]

People have no idea what goes on behind closed doors, and so look for public, visible signs that the club is taking action. Sacking the coach is one such visible sign, because then the club looks like it's doing something ? Turn it up.

We've been down this road numerous times. As Elwood says, do a proper review / audit like the Pies and Tigers, use the same mob they used, and I'll bet they find that the problem isn't the senior coach. But no, we're Carlton, so behaving professionally and wearing some heat simply isn't possible.

What makes you so sure it’s not the senior coach?
What has he done so well?

[JonHenry]

Quite apart from that, what decent prospective coach will actually want the job ?

Ratten would take the job.