A Rapid Rise Would Not Surprise.

[bmaurizio]

Bolton needs to show something in 2019.

Most certainly, he'll be scrutised closely. One would expect at least 6 to 8 wins for Bolts to retain his postion. 

[Lods]

I actually like Bolton
I think he's what we need at the moment
But it's time he shows he can progress this side.
I think he can
But if he can't...Time is up!

[flyboy77]

IMO, the coach shouldn't even be part of the discussion until the end of the 2020 season. I've said it before, if things are still dismal, get the mob who did the Pies and Tigers audit, get them to scrutinise the joint from top to bottom, and then make changes based on that. I'd be most surprised if they determined Bolton needed to go.

Yet, you have been wrong before!

[Gointocarlton]

IMO, the coach shouldn't even be part of the discussion until the end of the 2020 season. I've said it before, if things are still dismal, get the mob who did the Pies and Tigers audit, get them to scrutinise the joint from top to bottom, and then make changes based on that. I'd be most surprised if they determined Bolton needed to go.

Agree with most of that. I'll say I'm happy to wait for as long as it takes. AFAIC, we've been down the sack the coach path and where has it got us? The bloke will make, he and the team needs time. I said in another post that "Its time", by that I meant its time to stop making excuses for everything and be ruthless on the field. Do that and it will turn very quickly.

[Thryleon]

I say this every year, but i can never recall it perfectly but its along the same lines as you.

But, factors people fail to consider, which happens almost every year are....
1. Long term injury to important players
2. 2nd year blues - A young kid fails to live up to the breakout first season and goes backwards in year 2 - Dow?
3. A veteran player starts to decline and fails to live up to their lofty standards - Simpson?
4. A shock retirement - Rowe this year (albeit end of year) maybe Kreuzer this year?

and there are a couple of other ones which i cannot recall. Something about a couple of players not having a pre-season and playing catchup all year (ala Kennedy/Lang)

Factor all of that into your predictions and it'll be a lot more accurate.

I have.

Hence why 6-8 wins.

[PaulP]

Yet, you have been wrong before!

Yes, I have. There might be people somewhere on this planet who get everything right, and are constantly firing off all these amazing top-of-the-line insights, but they certainly give this place a fairly wide berth.

[Lods]

Agree with most of that. I'll say I'm happy to wait for as long as it takes. AFAIC, we've been down the sack the coach path and where has it got us? The bloke will make, he and the team needs time. I said in another post that "Its time", by that I meant its time to stop making excuses for everything and be ruthless on the field. Do that and it will turn very quickly.

The problem is "as long as it takes" is not realistic in football terms because pressure increases with every unsuccessful year.
While some are prepared to be patient, others will say...Is this really the best way forward?
If we'd just rolled along as we had in the past without a rebuild would we have finished 2 and 20 in 2018...who knows, but I suspect not.
Would we be better placed for the future...you would like to think we would be ...but again, who knows!
At the end of the day football is about success and progress.
If that's not occurring at a very visible and measurable rate questions will be asked of the direction you've chosen.
For some of us older folk ..."as long as it takes" is unacceptable because we may not be around to see the fruits of the rebuild.

[PaulP]

Bolton needs to show something in 2019.

"showing something" is an ambiguous phrase - we cut Bolton some slack this season because of youth and shocking injuries. What happens next season if we suffer bad injuries again ?

[Gointocarlton]

The problem is "as long as it takes" is not realistic in football terms because pressure increases with every unsuccessful year.
While some are prepared to be patient, others will say...Is this really the best way forward?
If we'd just rolled along as we had in the past without a rebuild would we have finished 2 and 20 in 2018...who knows, but I suspect not.
Would we be better placed for the future...you would like to think we would be ...but again, who knows!
At the end of the day football is about success and progress.
If that's not occurring at a very visible and measurable rate questions will be asked of the direction you've chosen.
For some of us older folk ..."as long as it takes" is unacceptable because we may not be around to see the fruits of the rebuild.

Firstly, if you think I'm "young", think again. My point is what if Richmond sacked Dimma in 2016 and Geel sacked Bomber before the 2007 season? Now I also know the WB sacked McCarthy and won a flag under Beveridge, but I'll guess and say Macca did all the hard work and the oxygen thief Bevo came along and reaped the rewards. I'll also guess we have sacked more coaches than anyone (or at least equal) and its got us to where we are now. I'm happy to do something different for a change.

[Lods]

"showing something" is an ambiguous phrase - we cut Bolton some slack this season because of youth and shocking injuries. What happens next season if we suffer bad injuries again ?

You judge it on circumstances no doubt.
And he's had a bad run with injuries this year.
It's a reason he's been cut a little bit of slack.
2 and 20 without the injuries and he's in the sights.

Firstly, if you think I'm "young", think again. My point is what if Richmond sacked Dimma in 2016 and Geel sacked Bomber before the 2007 season? Now I also know the WB sacked McCarthy and won a flag under Beveridge, but I'll guess and say Macca did all the hard work and the oxygen thief Bevo came along and reaped the rewards. I'll also guess we have sacked more coaches than anyone and its got us to where we are now. I'm happy to do something different for a change.

That's fair enough.
I've no doubt the club has done a terrific bit of salesmanship in terms of the approach they're taking.
But there comes  a point when folks start to wonder whether they've been "sold a pup".

14/18
16/18
18/18

That's what we have during Bolton's time.
So yep
We're being a bit patient...very unCarlton like.
The Coles 6,000 dollar questions are
When does this turn around?
What has Bolton shown us so far?
What can he show us?

As I see it he's been given a very good young group to work with... when do we see signs that he can use his magic to turn that group into a winning combination?
Until we see that I have to remain sceptical.
Happy to give him a chance... but sceptical.