JLT 2018: Carlton vs St Kilda at Ikon on Wednesday

[DJC]

See, this is kinda what i've been talking about. Who from that lineup would play on the small forwards....say Eddie Betts.

The average height of that lineup is 191+. Simpson being the 'small' at 182 but at his age, i can't see him being able to keep up with the slippery types....and if Charlie Cameron was still there?? Not sure who his replacement would be, but i'm tipping there is at least 1 more small there.

I'm not sure that Thry's lineup would spend much time together on the ground.  We would normally be rotating at least one defender off the bench and giving SOJ, Daisy, Ed and others time in the back half.

As for stopping Eddie, it would be more of a team effort to limit forward 50 entries but Plowman could do the job with a little help from his fellow defenders. 

[ElwoodBlues1]

I'm not sure that Thry's lineup would spend much time together on the ground.  We would normally be rotating at least one defender off the bench and giving SOJ, Daisy, Ed and others time in the back half.

As for stopping Eddie, it would be more of a team effort to limit forward 50 entries but Plowman could do the job with a little help from his fellow defenders.

Yep ..its about stopping supply, players like Betts, Martin, Gray etc are going to win most of the one on ones if you give them enough opportunities, doesnt matter who
plays on them.
What we dont want Rnd 1 is Martin alone with his opponent near the goal square ,we cant have players sucked up the ground or dragged to the opposite side giving Martin room...once that happens and he is alone with his man its as good as over, you see players like Hodge giving directions down back so players know what they are doing, hope we have the same happening. The backline is talented but with Docherty missing it probably lacks a bit of leadership....Simpson is experienced but not that type of player, maybe thats why I like ACOS playing as he more the type to General the defense.

[Thryleon]

See, this is kinda what i've been talking about. Who from that lineup would play on the small forwards....say Eddie Betts.

The average height of that lineup is 191+. Simpson being the 'small' at 182 but at his age, i can't see him being able to keep up with the slippery types....and if Charlie Cameron was still there?? Not sure who his replacement would be, but i'm tipping there is at least 1 more small there.

We don't need to worry about stopping their smalls if we intercept mark everything coming in and rebound efficiently (something else this team can do).

Even so, Tom Williamson is the man for that job.

What Im hoping is that teams are spending more time trying to stop us than we are them.

At some point, you have to stop worrying about how to stop a couple of players and play the best 22 for good team balance.

[LP]

We don't need to worry about stopping their smalls if we intercept mark everything coming in and rebound efficiently (something else this team can do).

Even so, Tom Williamson is the man for that job.

What Im hoping is that teams are spending more time trying to stop us than we are them.

At some point, you have to stop worrying about how to stop a couple of players and play the best 22 for good team balance.

Looking at your back six, Williamson, Plowman, Marchbank and Weitering have all played on undersized forwards. I suspect Jones could as well, ironically Simmo is probably the only one that would struggle given his huge turning circle.

[Thryleon]

Looking at your back six, Williamson, Plowman, Marchbank and Weitering have all played on undersized forwards. I suspect Jones could as well, ironically Simmo is probably the only one that would struggle given his huge turning circle.

Exactly what I was thinking LP.  No one man has to stop a small.  Its a team effort.  Bring in the 7th man to mind an additional small (one of the mids/wingers) and then play Plowman, Weitering, Marchbank as the intercept marker.

Horses for courses swap out one of Weitering, Jones, Plowman or Marchbank for Sam Rowe.  Our defense is looking very good, Im just worried about up the field.

[DJC]

Looking at your back six, Williamson, Plowman, Marchbank and Weitering have all played on undersized forwards. I suspect Jones could as well, ironically Simmo is probably the only one that would struggle given his huge turning circle.

I was quite surprised by how often Simmo picked up a taller opponent when the ball was heading deep into our defence.  Fortunately, he has the smarts to negate a size disadvantage.

We seem to play a swarming defence trying to block forward avenues and conceding kicks to more easily defended areas.  It’s only when the ball is heading inside 50 that our defenders man up, and it often seems to be the nearest forward rather than a particular match up - apart from Jones and one or two others.

Your point is well made LP; most of our defenders have the attributes to stand almost any opponent.

[flyboy77]

I was quite surprised by how often Simmo picked up a taller opponent when the ball was heading deep into our defence.  Fortunately, he has the smarts to negate a size disadvantage.

We seem to play a swarming defence trying to block forward avenues and conceding kicks to more easily defended areas.  It’s only when the ball is heading inside 50 that our defenders man up, and it often seems to be the nearest forward rather than a particular match up - apart from Jones and one or two others.

Your point is well made LP; most of our defenders have the attributes to stand almost any opponent.

And they're athletic enough to run off their man in most instances....

[kruddler]

I'm not sure that Thry's lineup would spend much time together on the ground.  We would normally be rotating at least one defender off the bench and giving SOJ, Daisy, Ed and others time in the back half.

As for stopping Eddie, it would be more of a team effort to limit forward 50 entries but Plowman could do the job with a little help from his fellow defenders.

Plowman, at a stretch, is all we've got IMO. If there are 2 eddies....we're screwed. We'd have to drop another mid-type back. So where does the extra defender go?

I know a lot of our blokes can play on talls, and smalls to a certain degree given there agility, but you still need a Tuohy/Docherty type which you can rely on more often than not to take those slippery blokes.

Look, i know how good our defenders are, i'm a huge wrap for them. I reckon our '2nd back 6' would still beat our '1st forward 6', i just think we need to be fluid down there and pick horses for courses.

[kruddler]

I'd even consider Garlett on the slippery types, as required.

Horses for course, hardly a new strategy?

Move on zkruddler, this has been discussd ad nauseum...

Thats what i'm suggesting. And some courses might mean that the Weitering horse is better off resting for the following week.

Hardly a mew strategy, but people are fricken losing their minds over suggesting a #1 pick could be the 'casualty'.

[DJC]

Plowman, at a stretch, is all we've got IMO. If there are 2 eddies....we're screwed. We'd have to drop another mid-type back. So where does the extra defender go?

I know a lot of our blokes can play on talls, and smalls to a certain degree given there agility, but you still need a Tuohy/Docherty type which you can rely on more often than not to take those slippery blokes.

Look, i know how good our defenders are, i'm a huge wrap for them. I reckon our '2nd back 6' would still beat our '1st forward 6', i just think we need to be fluid down there and pick horses for courses.

Byrne seems to have been left out of the discussion.  He could match most small forwards for agility and acceleration but may get lost by his opponent - as often happened to Tuohy.

Docherty generally plays as a loose man in defence; not picking up an opponent but helping out his fellow defenders.  Not having Doc, and with apparently more emphasis on attacking footy, may mean that we give up on the extra man behind the ball.