Rd 14: Post Game Palliative care: Carlton vs Richmond

[sydneybluesfan]

I guess the frustration for me is that yesterday's game and effort looked a lot like the 'old' Carlton that we all hoped we were moving away from over the last few months. But it was back in spades yesterday, and like a lot here I felt like we deserved to be beaten by a lot more when you look at the stats. The fact that if Picketts takes the mark and goals we would have been 12 points down with 5 to play shows just how ordinary Richmond played.

There were a lot more negatives than positives yesterday. It was left to a few [Doc, Gibbs, Kruz, Simmo, Cripps] to do all the heavy lifting, and we just had way to many passengers all over the ground. We got nothing from our 'ins', structurally we were poor and we got out-coached.

Our defence against there small forward line was horrid. They took 24 marks i50 and had spare men everywhere. We were too tall and slow for their setup.

Our second tier midfielders and wingers were terrible. Boek really disappointed me after an ok game last week. Smedts was playing in defence some of the time, and SPS just cruised around without showing any intensity. Graham just doesn't have the weapons to make an impact at AFL level. Insipid comes to mind.

Forward line was [again] a shambles. No real pressure when the ball hit the ground from SOJ, Pickett and Wright, and they outnumbered and ran it coast to coast a number of times. Pickett was a real disappointment for mine, and Jack's lack of leg speed really hurts him on the big ground when the ball hits the ground.

Dusty did as he pleased all day [again] which was embarrassing at times. Murph was poor, just cruised around and went back to putting team mates under pressure with handballs rather than taking the game on when he got the ball making an impact.

[cookie2]

What a difference a week makes

Yes. Another one of those down weeks which we knew we'd be getting. Just on SEN they were saying that our boys looked very tired and I thought they were very lethargic myself. Anyway, no excuses and we carry on! Disappointing but no need for sackcloth and ashes yet.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Geez overeact much

Boeky back to WA?......Ben Saunders as a rookie?, any chance of doing a Marcus Adams and making it at AFL level?..

[Baggers]

Geez overeact much

Depends whether you seek excellence or excuses; whether you tolerate mediocrity or are uncompromising.

[Lods]

Yes. Another one of those down weeks which we knew we'd be getting. Just on SEN they were saying that our boys looked very tired and I thought they were very lethargic myself. Anyway, no excuses and we carry on! Disappointing but no need for sackcloth and ashes yet.

They played two games where they put in a very good effort.
Maintaining that effort week after week is just not possible.
It's why a side has never gone through undefeated in the history of the game.
Even our 1995 premiership side (possibly our best ever "team") had a couple of down games.
Now when youré a side in development these "down games" occur more frequently.
It's hard for youngsters to be consistent.
I wouldn't be surprised that at some level we aren't actually targeting those games where we have less chance of winning and using them to manage players or give a few blokes a final chance.
That game earlier in the season where we played a heap of youngsters could have been such an example...."We're not likely to win....give them all a run and see what they come up with"...Unfortunately that one backfired.

[Baggers]

They played two games where they put in a very good effort.
Maintaining that effort week after week is just not possible.
It's why a side has never gone through undefeated in the history of the game.
Even our 1995 premiership side (possibly our best ever "team") had a couple of down games.
Now when youré a side in development these "down games" occur more frequently.
It's hard for youngsters to be consistent.
I wouldn't be surprised that at some level we aren't actually targeting those games where we have less chance of winning and using them to manage players or give a few blokes a final chance.
That game earlier in the season where we played a heap of youngsters could have been such an example...."We're not likely to win....give them all a run and see what they come up with"...Unfortunately that one backfired.

And this is where I will respectfully, yet strongly, disagree with you. It is possible, in fact it is the stuff of sustained excellence and success. Excellence abhors failure.

Good sides can struggle, even be well down, yet find a way to win. This is a gladiatorial sport, which requires certain unique character and ability. We were reminded yesterday just how far off the pace we are, how ordinary we are. We're hit with a few injuries and fold up. Excuses and justifications are fast running out for poor efforts. When we excuse or rationalise poor performances, we allow them.

[laj]

And this is where I will respectfully, yet strongly, disagree with you. It is possible, in fact it is the stuff of sustained excellence and success. Excellence abhors failure.

Good sides can struggle, even be well down, yet find a way to win. This is a gladiatorial sport, which requires certain unique character and ability. We were reminded yesterday just how far off the pace we are, how ordinary we are. We're hit with a few injuries and fold up. Excuses and justifications are fast running out for poor efforts. When we excuse or rationalise poor performances, we allow them.

Agree with Lods, coming up week after week in a H & A season is nigh impossible without a downer.  And that's for a strong side. Otherwise sides would go through undefeated.

A young side building, like ours, will have many downers. Part of the process. Thing is it was as bad as we've played for a while yet we were still in the game for much of it. We are always at least competitive. We have to be accepting the young, building sides will some weeks not come up. We're all happy when we win, or even when we have a really good performance but supporters generally, for all sides, tend to sook like hell if their side has an odd bad game. Everyone is useless or no good, the sides no good, yet all is quickly forgiven if/when they win the next week. It's like supporters struggle to want to take the good with the bad hence lose perspective.

[shadesy]

Depends whether you seek excellence or excuses; whether you tolerate mediocrity or are uncompromising.

Nah you are right we should cut corners again, pay people under the table, trade away draft picks for saviours, hire old out of date coaches, because, we want to win a meaningless game in June.

[PaulP]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-06-26/ho...or-ko-blow

[flyboy77]

Agree with Lods, coming up week after week in a H & A season is nigh impossible without a downer.  And that's for a strong side. Otherwise sides would go through undefeated.

A young side building, like ours, will have many downers. Part of the process. Thing is it was as bad as we've played for a while yet we were still in the game for much of it. We are always at least competitive. We have to be accepting the young, building sides will some weeks not come up. We're all happy when we win, or even when we have a really good performance but supporters generally, for all sides, tend to sook like hell if their side has an odd bad game. Everyone is useless or no good, the sides no good, yet all is quickly forgiven if/when they win the next week. It's like supporters struggle to want to take the good with the bad hence lose perspective.

We were not remotely competitive yesterday after Q1.

The Tigers should have been ahead by 50 odd by half time....fact.