2017 Round 5: Post Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

[flyboy77]

Gibbs must be traded/....

[cookie2]

With the kids not really competitive or contributing the senior players get run into the ground!

You mean exhausting themselves running both ways? 

[Professer E]

With you Fly, for a 200 game player he has too many nothing games, was invisible today.  Goal kicking unreliable, panics with the ball, coughs it up under pressure, can't spread...confidence looks shot. 

[Barbs]

Gibbs must be traded/....

Agreed. We may not get the deal we want this year if he keeps playing like that. But we may as well offload him to make salary cap space and go after some free agents like Fyfe and dusty who will actually play hard and not let the opposition rough up Cripps every week.

[crashlander]

Green Shoots for Round 5:
- Polson's chase down tackle

That was good. Polson didn't have a big night and didn't work hard enough negatively. However, he will get better. He has had a taste and he will be better for the experience.

- Another small bag to Levi

If would move the ball a bit better it could have been a big bag. Levi was our most dangerous forward by a long way.

- SOS never stopped trying

His work on the ground and his evasion skills are improving every week. He doesn't seem to have the belief in his marking or his set shots at the moment. And his reflexes will improve.

- Charlie Curnow prob showed his best stuff so far, particularly in the 1st half

By far his best game and the way he did it was really promising.

- Cripps return to decent form

A little closer to fitness than he was last week, but still not 100%. He will get better.

- Charlie Dixon kept quiet

An excellent job by our defenders. Rowe early was very good in keeping a dangerous forward quiet. Unfortunately they did find other avenues to goal. Grey killed us.

- We didn't lay down in the last term

Indeed.

- With 10 players 21 and under, we were never going to go anywhere near a win.

Probably true. I think a couple of them will be rested next week. We are a little too young. However, the other guys need to stand up.

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Unfortunately, we will always get cut apart by our opponents because we don't make them pay on the scoreboard when we should, and our skills are pathetic and we all too often turn the ball over to them.
Our supposed senior leaders always were and always will be 'downhill skiers'. Again for the second week in a row, they were invisible in the 3rd term when we were crying out for leadership.

I think you are bit harsh there. Gibbs and Murphy actually performed about as well as they could when we couldn't get first use. Mind you, they can do more, but they weren't missing, like they have been in the past.
I think the value of Kreuzer was very much on show tonight. He isn't the greatest ruckman, but his work rate and effort this year have often stymied 'better' opponents. Phillips couldn't stop Ryder at all and was out-bodied by smaller opponents. Half his taps went directly to Port players as well. Kreuzer would no have been beaten so comprehensively and would have allowed our mids to be more effective.

[Jeffy38]

Immense?

Well he was probs our best player, let's pick apart little words then shall we. He was solid and looked composed for four quarters. Strong hands, good skills.

ffs ????

[cookie2]

With you Fly, for a 200 game player he has too many nothing games, was invisible today.  Goal kicking unreliable, panics with the ball, coughs it up under pressure, can't spread...confidence looks shot.

+1

Definitely not one of his better days. I think there is a big chance he will go this year but we need a big strong mature mid to replace him.

[madbluboy]

Even so they were clearly among our best!

We had zero winners, even Cripps was just a break even with Wines.

Stats wise, Rowe came last but was probably our BOG!

I think Gibbs was okay, Murphy below average, Simpson poor and Docherty WOG.

Agree on Rowe, having a fine season in a tough position.

[kruddler]

That 3rd quarter reminded me of the Denis Pagan days.

(Not so) fun fact.

Brittains record at Carlton
44 games (17-27)
61% of all games were losses
5% of all games were 10+ goal losses

Pagans record at Carlton
103 games (77-24-2)
75% of all games were losses
21% of all games were 10+ goal losses

Rattens record at Carlton
116 games (59-56-1)
48% of all games were losses
5% of all games were 10+ goal losses

Micks record at Carlton
52 games (19-32-1)
62% of all games were losses
13% of all games were 10+ goal losses

Boltons record at Carlton
27 games (8-19)
70% of all games were losses
22% of all games were 10+ goal losses

[LP]

You mean exhausting themselves running both ways? 

You're trying to infer our senior players don't run both ways, but that is clearly not the case as it was the likes of Docherty, Gibbs, Murphy, Simpson, Rowe you saw working at both ends of the ground!

What you don't appreciate is the amount of extra work the senior players are doing to make up for the lack of awareness and positioning by the kids.

Despite a very few moments of interest, the kids tonight excluding C.Curnow were mostly made to look slow, ineffective and timid! They are children, and we are playing way too many of them.

During Bolts presser, when he said the team is picked on form, is clearly bullcrap! He's starting to spin as he sees his chance of being re-signed evaporating!

Rucci nearly asked the tough question but they cut him off, he was going to ask Bolts about the long term risk of playing too many kids and letting them get psychologically and physically smashed!