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(07-25-2016, 03:29 AM)MilkIt link Wrote:I'd like to see SOS push up to the wing, drop Phillips only because I don't think two ruckmen is working, and bring in both Jaksch and Jones up forward. We need to take some marks i50.
IN: Jaksch, Jones
OUT: C. Curnow, Phillips
HF: Boekhorst - Casboult - Wright
FF: Sumner - Jones - Jaksch
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Thinking they will go with one ruckman is ignoring everything the MC has done all year.
It might happen but very unlikely. They don't want Casboult rucking, so that's probably another nail in this posts coffin.
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(07-25-2016, 03:29 AM)MilkIt link Wrote:I'd like to see SOS push up to the wing, drop Phillips only because I don't think two ruckmen is working, and bring in both Jaksch and Jones up forward. We need to take some marks i50.
IN: Jaksch, Jones
OUT: C. Curnow, Phillips
HF: Boekhorst - Casboult - Wright
FF: Sumner - Jones - Jaksch
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If we are only going to go with 1 ruckman, it would probably see Casboult out of the team and Phillips as permanent forward. Based on their respective form at least.
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(07-25-2016, 08:10 AM)kruddler link Wrote:If we are only going to go with 1 ruckman, it would probably see Casboult out of the team and Phillips as permanent forward. Based on their respective form at least.
Never want to see a ruckman as a key forward as it's usually a disaster. Most have no idea how to play the position. Casboult's game would improve alot if he was to get a run on the ball as we have seen a number of times over the last few years. He improves no end when he can clunk a few marks. He's better marking around the ground than Phillips and Kreuzer put together, and i'm not necessarily saying alot there.
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(07-25-2016, 04:06 AM)cimm1979 link Wrote:Thinking they will go with one ruckman is ignoring everything the MC has done all year.
It might happen but very unlikely. They don't want Casboult rucking, so that's probably another nail in this posts coffin.
They did it a couple of times earlier on when we were winning. No coincidence both Kreuzer and Casboult played easily their best footy in role they were suited and we played well too. I like Phillips but two ruckmen doesn't often work for us, especially when we're left with just one key forward. Phillips doesn't often do that much and Kreuzer's effectiveness is cut in half when he has to share. Seen that for years now. Not sure why it takes our match committee so long to see that. That did for a few matches when Phillips got injured and we did well.
At worst 2 key forwards and 2 rucks where Casboult can then get up the ground and clunk some marks rather than being stuck deeper forward as our one out key forward against the heat of multiple defenders.
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(07-25-2016, 11:10 AM)laj link Wrote:They did it a couple of times earlier on when we were winning. No coincidence both Kreuzer and Casboult played easily their best footy in role they were suited and we played well too. I like Phillips but two ruckmen doesn't often work for us, especially when we're left with just one key forward. Phillips doesn't often do that much and Kreuzer's effectiveness is cut in half when he has to share. Seen that for years now. Not sure why it takes our match committee so long to see that. That did for a few matches when Phillips got injured and we did well.
At worst 2 key forwards and 2 rucks where Casboult can then get up the ground and clunk some marks rather than being stuck deeper forward as our one out key forward against the heat of multiple defenders.
In round 7, we played one ruckman - Kreuzer - with Casboult as part time back-up. We started off with the same structure in round 8 but Rowe had to step in when Casboult went off. Rowe rucked much better than Casboult ever has. In every other game we have played two dedicated ruckmen (if you can call Gorringe and Rowe dedicated ruckmen - Gibbs got as many hitouts as Rowe in round 9!). In any case, it's a pointless argument; they won't risk Casboult's knee by playing him in the ruck again this season.
We do need to play two key forwards so that Casboult isn't trying to outmark two defenders and can get up the ground to provide an outlet.
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Forward line structure is an issue, theoretically could have won every game this year bar a couple as we dominated the inside 50s. It is all very interesting and the quicker we have our three 18 year old snotfaces running around together growing up together the better.
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Why wouldn't they try Tuohy forward? He's strong, can kick and don't see any harm from Moving him from the back as they seem pretty settled back there
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Don't get why many want Jones to get another senior game.
He is not part of our future plans and so why fill a position with a player who has had enough time to show what we has and hasnt made the grade. Most bag the crap out of him when he plays than he goes back in the 2s plays a half decent game at the lower level and fans then want him recalled : 
No good at this stage in the year giving games to anyone other then those who the club sees/wants there in 3-4 years (Except for simmo of course)
Therefore a big no for me to Jones, Tutt, Whiley, Smith, Dick, Walker, Wood etc.
Jaksch and Everett are the ones I'm not sure where they sit so maybe to get a better read come seasons end play boy these 2 and tell them you have 5 weeks and then we make a call on both of their futures.
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(07-25-2016, 10:32 PM)shawny link Wrote:Don't get why many want Jones to get another senior game.
He is not part of our future plans and so why fill a position with a player who has had enough time to show what we has and hasnt made the grade. Most bag the crap out of him when he plays than he goes back in the 2s plays a half decent game at the lower level and fans then want him recalled :
No good at this stage in the year giving games to anyone other then those who the club sees/wants there in 3-4 years (Except for simmo of course)
Therefore a big no for me to Jones, Tutt, Whiley, Smith, Dick, Walker, Wood etc.
Jaksch and Everett are the ones I'm not sure where they sit so maybe to get a better read come seasons end play boy these 2 and tell them you have 5 weeks and then we make a call on both of their futures.
Agree. We are first and foremost trying to sort the sheep from the goats this year and getting our team structure, playing culture and game plans sorted out. There's no point in going down dead ends with any of that unless you are forced to. Their lack of selection tells me that both Jones and KJ must have been already identified as "non strategic" and will only now come in as last resorts due to injuries etc.
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Don't get why many want Jones to get another senior game.
He is not part of our future plans and so why fill a position with a player who has had enough time to show what we has and hasnt made the grade. Most bag the crap out of him when he plays than he goes back in the 2s plays a half decent game at the lower level and fans then want him recalled :
No good at this stage in the year giving games to anyone other then those who the club sees/wants there in 3-4 years (Except for simmo of course)
Therefore a big no for me to Jones, Tutt, Whiley, Smith, Dick, Walker, Wood etc.
Jaksch and Everett are the ones I'm not sure where they sit so maybe to get a better read come seasons end play boy these 2 and tell them you have 5 weeks and then we make a call on both of their futures.
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