Rd 11: Post Game Excitement: Carlton vs Brisbane

[Brettie]

I must have been at a different game  ???

I thought that the effort, pressure, tackling, team defence and polished ball movement was as good as I have seen from a Carlton side in many years.  Yes the opposition wasn't all that flash but they beat us by 64 points last time; that's a 102 point turnaround.

What gave me a great deal of satisfaction was watching our defence set up and effectively create a wall that Brisbane struggled to penetrate.  The transition from zone to man on man was seamless.  We did get touched up in the clearances but that's understandable with Kreuzer off and Gibbs blanketed by Robbo.  Our pressure was so effective that Brisbane's clearance advantage was negated.

Thank you DJC.......I was beginning to think we must've lost (even though I was at the game 8))........some of our ball movement from coast-to-coast was as good as I've seen from any team this year, with forwards at times not finishing the good work done by others prior.

Umpiring was deadset rubbish in the 2nd half & gifted the Lions many scoring opportunities/denied us of just as many......absolutely horrible display from those 3 blokes.....bordering on cheating.

Whilst some players were a bit down, others ably stepped-up.....I love that aspect of our game today.

[bignic]

One good game???  Seriously pull your head in.  He was well held today by Robbo, but his "one good game" has been a purple patch of a number of weeks.  Amazing some people just can't wait to give him a clip.  What a joke

Firstly, Shakin, I am entitled to my opinion.

You certainly have the right to disagree. The fact that you aren't able to do so without being abusive, is a character trait that you need to work on.

Secondly, overall, Gibbs has been an incredible disappointment for years. If he lacked ability, I could understand. If he was a number 110 draft pick, I could understand. If he was getting 150 grand a year I could understand.

But he doesn't lack ability, is a number 1 draft pick, and is on at least 500 grand a year.


He has been a pack skirter and receiver  since day one. His lazy,careless  shot at goal from 40 metres out on a slight angle when clear in the first quarter, was symptomatic of his whole career. And unlike Walker who swore like a trooper when he stupidly missed running into an open goal, Gibbs showed no emotion and shrugged off the miss as just one of those things.

This year, he has, in a few games, actually put his body on the line, and last week was probably the best, and most intense game he has played for us since he arrived at the club.

Now, I don't expect the intensity of last weeks level of performance from him every week, but it showed us what he has been capable of, but failed to deliver since he came to the club. 

Just  compare him to Kade Simpson.

Kade lacks the natural ability with which Gibbs is blessed, however, and once again in my opinion, I reckon he is probably the most courageous player for his size and weight who has played for Carlton since the great Ken Hunter.

And, unlike Gibbs, he has done it every week for 252 games.

I'm pleased that Gibbs has performed better this year than in previous years, but today, was a another performance of the Gibbsy of old.

Even you agree that "he was well held by Robbo", who doesn't have 10% of the ability in his whole body, that Gibbs has in his little finger. Perhaps 25% more effort by Gibbs, might have seen him have some effect on the game.

All that does is re-afirm my original comment about him.

[crashlander]

First chance I've had to sit down in front of the machine and I find I do have a few cents worth to deliver.

[1] This was the largest winning margin we have had for years. It was not a great winning margin, but it wasn't a few points either. In the circumstances it was good enough.

[2] I was very pleased we won when we got so convincingly thrashed in the ruck. Kreuzer did a good job in the first half in keeping Martin and West under control, but we won few taps and even fewer to advantage. The centre square was a disaster, but we did better around the ground.
Brisbane had more than double our tap outs.
After half time, without Kreuzer, we struggled and they got centre clearances.
Even though we managed so few centre clearances we still managed to win.
I hope Phillips comes through tomorrow OK, we do need to be more competitive in this regard.

[3] Our defence can really stand tall tonight. Top effort from all of them, although Weitering's 14 marks does stand out. Our defence really won the game for us with the drive they managed to provide.

[4] Tom Rockliff: never have I seen 40+ possessions be so ineffective and so non-damaging. I can count the number of really effective possessions he had on one hand. Cripps managed less than 30, but more lethal. Each kick and handball HURT.

[4]

[Jack Burton]

Firstly, Shakin, I am entitled to my opinion.

You certainly have the right to disagree. The fact that you aren't able to do so without being abusive, is a character trait that you need to work on.

Secondly, overall, Gibbs has been an incredible disappointment for years. If he lacked ability, I could understand. If he was a number 110 draft pick, I could understand. If he was getting 150 grand a year I could understand.

But he doesn't lack ability, is a number 1 draft pick, and is on at least 500 grand a year.


He has been a pack skirter and receiver  since day one. His lazy,careless  shot at goal from 40 metres out on a slight angle when clear in the first quarter, was symptomatic of his whole career. And unlike Walker who swore like a trooper when he stupidly missed running into an open goal, Gibbs showed no emotion and shrugged off the miss as just one of those things.

This year, he has, in a few games, actually put his body on the line, and last week was probably the best, and most intense game he has played for us since he arrived at the club.

Now, I don't expect the intensity of last weeks level of performance from him every week, but it showed us what he has been capable of, but failed to deliver since he came to the club. 

Just  compare him to Kade Simpson.

Kade lacks the natural ability with which Gibbs is blessed, however, and once again in my opinion, I reckon he is probably the most courageous player for his size and weight who has played for Carlton since the great Ken Hunter.

And, unlike Gibbs, he has done it every week for 252 games.

I'm pleased that Gibbs has performed better this year than in previous years, but today, was a another performance of the Gibbsy of old.

Even you agree that "he was well held by Robbo", who doesn't have 10% of the ability in his whole body, that Gibbs has in his little finger. Perhaps 25% more effort by Gibbs, might have seen him have some effect on the game.

All that does is re-afirm my original comment about him.

You clearly have no idea of what modern football is about, and what it takes to play it

[DJC]

[4] Tom Rockliff: never have I seen 40+ possessions be so ineffective and so non-damaging. I can count the number of really effective possessions he had on one hand. Cripps managed less than 30, but more lethal. Each kick and handball HURT.

I couldn't believe that he had so much of the ball.  He did a couple of good things but I would have guessed that he had 15-20 disposals.  I guess it shows how footy stats can be deceiving, particularly when so many possessions are uncontested and are simply switching the play.  In his defence, his team-mates probably didn't capitalise on his work.

Cripps, on the other hand, took the game on and was creative and effective with his use of the ball.

[dodge]

For a long  time we've relied on too few and if they didn't play well we would either get thumped or simply lose  games that we possibly should have won.

I couldn't care less that Gibbs wasn't as good today, because it didn't matter.  Others picked up the slack and we won easily, although packed up and went home a bit early - would  have been nice to have a 10 goal win.

After Robbo's effort on Cas, followed by Cas' retaliation,  I thought the last 5 minutes could get quite messy.  While the retaliation was undisciplined, I thought it was great to see a big unit put physical pressure on.

[kruddler]

Firstly, Shakin, I am entitled to my opinion.

You are entitled to your opinion, as are the coaches.

Before this round he was top 5 in the coaches votes for the year i believe, on something like 39 points (max 10 per game).

Reckon he's played more than 1 good game this year.

The rest of your post may well be true, but has nothing to do with your original comments.

[BlueAvenger]

Great team effort, albeit sloppy at times. What was even better was we did it without Gibbs and Kreuze having an impact, and no Murphy.

The lions pressure in the first quarter was top notch, but they couldn't sustain it nor convert on the scoreboard.

Rockliff amazes me with how ineffectual he was, Bell and Robbo didn't do much, which pleased me.

Weitering, take a bow son.

Kerridge, Cripps and Curnow really worked hard today

Den Den is playing some great footy

The luck of the irish in 2E and Byrne really impress me.

Gorringe getting better each week, bit early to call but i'd like to think he could be that Blicavs type midfielder for us.

Our back six is the best I've seen in a long while

Nicky G laid 7 tackles and went at 81% eff, will be better for the run

Walkers 3 behinds from i50 is not good enough

Thomas was quiet

bad Everitt showed up this week, hope good Everitt shows up next week

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM Lamb. 3 goals 0 behinds, getting better every week

Rowe is being thrown around a bit, and adapts. Is best on the gorillas or resting ruck

Cas wasnt sighted much.

Like i said really pleasing we won without MK, Gibbs and Murph and little output from Cas and Everitt

We are in Richmond's spot 

Go Baggers

[Raydan]

I expected to see much more joy in this thread. It was our biggest win of the year, the win put us to more wins than losses for the first time in over 3 years and we did it with out Murph and missing Kruezer for half the game. For me this was a very good win.

Weitering - He been very good all year long, but when he's in a forward line with kids his own age and experience JW looked a few levels above. I cannot wait until he's got 50 games under his belt, just imagining what he can do with experience.

Gorringe - Second game in a row he's done some very good things. Apart from being an athlete he has great hands, give a nice little handball to advantage and set up 3-4 running plays by doing so. He's no star in the ruck, but he seems to have strength in his wrist (keep it clean) and is able to tap to all areas of the clock, just a few kilos light. Kicks well, snap around the corner aside and his mark over the top of Casboult looked fantastic. He's is only 23/24 from memory so he's got a big upside. While I don't expect him to be a starting ruck, as a forward/ruck he could be just what we're looking for.

Docherty - Always liked Sam, has good wheels, good skills and now it seems like a switched has been flicked and he owns the game as well. Future captain.

Byrne - This man could be the best Irish player ever. I'd like to see him lose a kilo or two just to make him even faster. Again looking ahead with a half back line of Docherty, Weitering and Byrne for the next 10 years, with Plowman (who had a stinker) and getting those "shared games" into this group, it could almost be a Geelong type backline.

Lamb - Best game in Navy Blue, pressure, goals, and some attitude to go along with it. Kicks nicely to a forwards advantage too, although he seems to be fixated on getting the ball to Walker.

Armfield - I just love watching an uninjured Dennis go about it, pace, hardness and pressure. Sure he's not the most skilled guy in the world, but ask Menzel how his skills are working out for him, without the drive and determination.

Cripps - You can tell he's not right and he's still delivering that type of a game, again crystal ball to 2018 and look out AFL.

Have to agree with Brettie the umpiring was woeful and it might end up costing Casboult a week for his hit on Robbo. If the previous hit from Robbo had been paid as it should of then that never would have happened.

While talking hits, how good was Walkers hip and shoulder on Christiansen?

[cookie2]

I think the relative restraint being shown on here is down to the fact that we scarcely can believe what's been happening and we don't want to break the magic spell!

From what I've been seeing, and you can pick holes if you want, I'm cautiously optimistic and can't wait for the next installment of this fascinating story. BB certainly looks to be ushering in a new era at our club but shshsh!