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(02-16-2016, 01:58 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Did Simmo ever require anything to click ? Observing as an outsider, he has come across to me as our spiritual leader for a number of years. I would agree that Simmo has been the Spiritual leader for quite some time. Just a pity he has has been surrounded by too many atheists......
If everyone in Navy Blue put in as much as Simmo, we would be far better off
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(02-16-2016, 02:04 AM)tonyo link Wrote:I would agree that Simmo has been the Spiritual leader for quite some time. Just a pity he has has been surrounded by too many atheists......
If everyone in Navy Blue put in as much as Simmo, we would be far better off
Yep - very happy he is now VC. I was hoping he'd be made skipper.
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There's a great article on Ed Curnow in today's Age.
I have put it here because it covers Murph's captaincy too.
Quote:"I really wanted to get in and help Murph - it can't be all on him," said Curnow, a 26-year-old whose presence in an expanded seven-man group is testament to the multi-layered benefits of hard work, which not only brings results but also makes you an exemplar for others to follow.
"Last year there was the media, scrutiny from fans and in-club a bit too. He was copping it, and I saw that first hand. It would have been really hard for him emotionally, as it was for a lot of us players, going out there and getting smashed. But he was copping the brunt of everything that came with losing.
"Just to be a real support for him, I'm pumped about being there for him."
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Discarded by Adelaide after a game-less rookie season in 2008, given a second chance by the Blues after two years with Box Hill in the VFL, and noted more for his supreme workrate than abundant natural talent, Curnow epitomises leadership in its simplest form.
"I'm passionate about Carlton. I want us to do well, and anything I can do to improve the club, my teammates, I'll do it," said Curnow, who did not hesitate to put his name forward when nominations were called for last month.
"I think I connect well with a broad range of players. My standards at training and in games is high. I think the group's chosen me because they want me to keep driving those standards and values that we've chosen as a group."
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ed-curn...z40IDYpOZm
I wasn't really expecting Curnow to be in the leadership group, but after reading that, I'm glad he is. I suppose it just shows how we're really guessing when it comes to evaluating leadership from the sidelines.
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(02-15-2016, 11:04 PM)cookie2 link Wrote:It's a pretty good group with Murph as, IMO, the obvious choice for capt. for the time being. Good to see Simmo in there as the senior elder statesman, Cripps as a rep of the younger guys and Curnow as a testament to sheer effort! 8)
1AW must going OK too.
Good summery Cookie, I'm happy with this group, 7 is a good number, happy to see Simmo get some recognition with the VC too.
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All our leadership group (except for Cripp's obvious size) are small- med running players... the Carlton of old always had a gun big man as the leader.
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(02-16-2016, 10:03 AM)Professer E link Wrote:All our leadership group (except for Cripp's obvious size) are small- med running players... the Carlton of old always had a gun big man as the leader.
Yep..that always been the way....Big Nick, Fitzy, Sticks....Kruezer should have been in the leadership group IMO....the players all say he is important and he played a decent run of games last season and its time he took on some responsibility..
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(02-16-2016, 10:21 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Yep..that always been the way....Big Nick, Fitzy, Sticks....Kruezer should have been in the leadership group IMO....the players all say he is important and he played a decent run of games last season and
its time he took on some responsibility..
Does just "being big" constitute good leadership qualities though? This is not just a decision by one person. BB and the club generally seem to have made careful assessment of demonstrated leadership qualities prior to these appointments being voted on. Kreuz didn't obviously get sufficient votes, despite his height.
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(02-16-2016, 10:21 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Yep..that always been the way....Big Nick, Fitzy, Sticks....Kruezer should have been in the leadership group IMO....the players all say he is important and he played a decent run of games last season and
its time he took on some responsibility..
Yes, all big blokes except for Comben, Silvagni, Barassi, Jesaulenko, Johnston, Bradley, Ratten, McKay, Judd and Murphy  There are some tough nuts among that lot though.
I'm not sure about Kreuzer as a leader. He may lead by example, and that's fine, but he doesn't seem to be a bloke who would relish a role as an active, vocal leader. I suspect that he didn't nominate for a leadership role but, if he did, the playing group and coaching panel didn't think he was up to it.
It would be nice if one or more of our 200cm/100kg brigade stepped up as a leader.
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(02-16-2016, 10:36 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:Does just "being big" constitute good leadership qualities though? This is not just a decision by one person. BB and the club generally seem to have made careful assessment of demonstrated leadership qualities prior to these appointments being voted on. Kreuz didn't obviously get sufficient votes, despite his height.
Big makes you more intimidating, and I think it also means you can dish it out with greater force, stand up for your teammates better, withstand knocks better etc.
I don't know what any of this has to do with leadership, but being a big bully does seem to be advantageous in AFL footy.
As for Krooz, maybe :
a. he didn't want it
b. club thought he wasn't suitable, for a variety of reasons - injuries, too introverted etc.
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(02-16-2016, 10:54 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Big makes you more intimidating, and I think it also means you can dish it out with greater force, stand up for your teammates better, withstand knocks better etc.
I don't know what any of this has to do with leadership, but being a big bully does seem to be advantageous in AFL footy.
As for Krooz, maybe :
a. he didn't want it
b. club thought he wasn't suitable, for a variety of reasons - injuries, too introverted etc.
Paul, that just sounds like hired muscle rather than leadership qualities. I would like to see some muscle in our team without doubt - the kind of blokes who will deter opposition bully boys going near our talent for fear of what could and would be delivered back on them. It's not essential that these particular guys are our leaders though.
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