Trumpled (Alternative Leading)

[mateinone]

I read this a while ago now, I will  find it and get back.

OK, these two references are not my original readings but pretty closely summarise them and prompted my post.

Lenin in fact had Jewish ancestry but did not openly identify as being Jewish. The Bolsheviks however had a disproportionally high Jewish representation and were not, IMO, primarily motivated by improving the lot of the people of Russia.

http://www.nytimes.com/1992/08/05/opinio...47092.html

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_weber.html

The first point, that second link.. a quick look at the site and and the author's other stories and you can see he has an anti-semetic viewpoint and so that can just be discarded completely. A further look shows it is a Holocaust Denial site, which again goes back to my point that says no crackpots.


The other link just discusses Lenin's Jewish heritage, I already addressed that it wasn't a valid argument to say his was a Zionist agenda.

The Lenin Jewish history is known, but generally it is considered that he was unlikely even aware of it himself or that is had no relevance.
Tsarist Russia was an oppressive autocratic regime and a lot of people wanted change, you could not protest openly without recriminations and Lenin's brother in rebellion tried to assassinate Nicholas II's father, the then current Tsar. For his troubles, he was executed.

It is not at all hard to see why this is considered one of the key moments that drove Lenin towards revolution and socialism.
Remember that like most Autocratic countries at the time Russia Tsarist rule was absolute and any form of insurrection was put down swiftly. It isn't uncommon that there were a number of Jews amongst those rebelling as they filled a lot of university positions and honestly traditionally it is places such as universities (not in the classes) where intellectuals gather to talk about political change and upheaval.
It must again be remembered that you could be off to Siberia for years for organising a meeting against the rule of the Tsar. If you were to run a public protest it could be met with death...
I think there was every reason for All Russians to want to overthrow the Tsar

I don't see any evidence at all that suggests they were not mainly about improving the plight of Russians, then Stalin as a non Jew could never have climbed the ladder that he did. Remember he was primarily a Georgian thug, in charge of squads than rad raids on banks etc to fund the revolution. This man could never have been more than a pawn if the movement was run from afar by other Zionists.

I stick by the fact that I have never seen a scrap of evidence to suggest the motive to drive the Jewish cause, above breaking the oppression of the Tsarist rule.

Remember that this was a time of change, it was a time where the lower and lower middle classes were beginning to educate and questioning and existence beyond one that restricted them to basically a life of servitude. From the French revolution, through the European revolutions of the mid 19th century and onto the Russian and right up to the revolutions of the late 20th century. When groups start to question their oppression, it often triggers a resistance and this is what happened in Russia.