Bryce Gibbs & Marc Murphy

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Well why didn't we bring in a couple of older heads last draft (Barlow?)

We don't want to bring in old players, the problem isn't bringing in young players, it is not bringing in enough of the young players in a short enough period of time. But they need VFL time under serious development coaches to mature correctly.

Saying we are too young then trading out two soon to be SUPERSTARS is crazy.

Those two get us at least another 4 or more very early draft picks that can be used on more quality kids as opposed to recycled types.

Trading out Gibbs, Murphy and Kreuzer might get you a very late 1st Rnd or early 2nd Rnd picks, but not much more, no compensation and no opportunity to draft decent kids. You'll end up with more Palmer types. No club is going to offer us much for Gibbs given they know he wants to leave for SA, there won't be any competition for his signature. Murphy is too injury prone and too old to attract much attention, as is Kreuzer and his injuries. People who think they have trade value that will get you a bunch of low draft picks are kidding themselves!

I wouldn't be putting Weiters and Cripps in the same basket as Smurph and Squibbs. Right from the start we all saw that these two couldn't take a game by the scruff of it's neck and change it's course. And we have spoken about it ever since.

That's rubbish, between them Murphy and Gibbs have almost got us into late finals. You are imagining things if you think people were negative about them from day one! Your use of derogatory terms exposes your prejudice!

Crippa and Weiters on the other hand, I know it's early days but these guys are good and to trade them I think we would lose a lot of members.
These are two players to build the future around because all Carlton talks about is the future and the past. For the last 15 years there has been no Present, no Now.
We are too far into changing course from this rebuild so we may as just keep going HOPING it is the correct course of action because everything else we have tried turned to poo.

I'm talking about accelerating the change, not changing direction. We need GWS style youth recruitment. If we don't the rebuild will be so slow those blokes will be gone, stripped away by better offers, before we see a result! Why wait for that to happen, start a bidding war for them now, while they are still hot property before our club destroys what value they have!

The trading of Smurph and Squibbs would be in the Bulldogs trading of their stars a couple of years ago category.
Soul changing stuff, Culture changing stuff AND this is what we need.
Something still stinks at Carlton, maybe it's from what we were cooking but something else needs to change.
It could be culture
It could be leadership
It could be the pre game routines (how many games have we not shown up to in the first quarter?) Need a good old fashion fire up. Oh wait, that might hurt someones feelings from all the yelling. :

Not at all, the Bulldogs had a list full of already talented youth that struggled under an unwanted coach. They basically offloaded or lost a couple of blokes replaced with Boyd and some draft picks. If we do that we'll have wasted money because one KPP  and an old bloke like Crameri isn't going to help us!

Not sure what it is but I'm tired of pretty boys with no mongrel playing for my footy club. Think of past players we had and if they were playing for some else we would've hated them because they were so tough and played on the edge. (Johnston, Williams) Who do we have now? Why do you think the Dawks were feared? Bloody errant elbows from you know who and they always tackled to hurt.
When was the last time you saw a Carlton player intently hurt an opposition player. Rhys Jones?

Tell that to Mitch Robinson, apparently we don't want that type!

Wasn't it interesting to hear Tim Cahill's assessment of Melbourne City pitiful exit,

We’re a nice team with nice footballers

Spanner has touched on something here and it needs exploring.
Because you watch, when Squibbs goes to Adelaide he will become the player we all know he is capable of.
Then the AFL will see some non racial Booing >

That says more about our club, our list and our coaches than the players. Perhaps it says something about our fan base as well, why would anyone want to put in for a club when all that comes back at them is the sort of derogatory rubbish we seen in recent weeks? Don't give me the money argument, we don't even pay that well!