What does our club stand for?

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I don't buy that.

Why can Hawthorn do today what we were able to do then? Are Hawthorn not full time professional athletes? I think they are.

The crux of the problem at our club is we don't know how to achieve success in the modern era. Off-field and on. A cultural change is required to drag us into the modern era in all facets of the game.

In terms of the players, that is something that they can control themselves. They can demand commitment from each other. They set their own team rules (to an extent) and they can enforce them. They can punish themselves should they transgress. If the players are not on board to begin with, what hope do we have?

Team rules can be made, followed and enforced no matter what era you come from. The rules may change, but the meaning behind them remains the same.

I think you misunderstood. I was saying that WE have failed here, not that others have. I agree that the Hawks are one of the benchmarks of the new era. What I was saying is that people like Sellers repeatedly talking about "his day" is not helpful ant not really all that relevant to our current predicament. We need to be more like the Hawks of today and less like the Blues of old.