Carlton pasted by Pies (Post Game)

[Thryleon]

Are we going to credit Mick's first 2 flags to Todd and his first two GFs at Collingwood to Shaw?

Both those were pretty soon after taking over.

When I say the plaudits, I say all the plaudits.

IMHO, a player will get bits and pieces from every coach they work under across the journey and usually the bloke they work with the most will have the most input in what they are like as a player.

It can be argued that many of them gain more through junior footy than they will at senior level with the only thing really changing them there being proffesional athlete status.

Pagan and Ratten are as responsible for the apathy that many of our players show today (if they were coached by them) as Malthouse.