05-30-2016, 04:26 AM
(05-30-2016, 03:16 AM)bignic link Wrote:With great respect, mateinone, Hawkins should have kicked both goals. The fact that his record from that area is 10.16, is frankly a reflection of his poor kicking, rather than the fact that any decent footballer would have kicked those goals. Thankfully, he didn't.
Wait so Tom Hawkins is now considered a sub-standard kick fod goal, I mean you are saying that it is more likely he is a poor kick than the fact it is more difficult than you suggest to kick from that distance and angle right?
Hmm
So 129 VFL/AFL players have kicked 350 league goals, Tom has 354.
Of those players, 87 of them have records on AFL Tables for the number of behinds they have kicked.
Of these players (who I suspect most fall under the category of 'any decent footballer') Tom Hawkins sits 22nd for accuracy at 64.25%.
8 Players in the history of the game with 350+ goals have a percent about 66% (Eddie Betts is one of them).
Brendan Fevola sits 49th on this list.
btw... A player would need to kick at an average of about 70.5% on average for it to be the most likely result that they would score 2.0 from there. I am sorry, but you are speaking based not at all on fact, but just on emotion and 'gut feel' that says they were sitters, when in fact they were anything but. Certainly goals that were well within Hawkins range (and other players), but absolutely nothing like the sodas you first mentioned and then tried to support.
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[tr][td]#[/td][td]Name[/td][td]Goals[/td][td]Behinds[/td][td]Percent[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1[/td][td]Tony Lockett[/td][td]1360[/td][td]590[/td][td]69.74[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2[/td][td]Peter Hudson[/td][td]727[/td][td]330[/td][td]68.78[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]3[/td][td]Matthew Lloyd[/td][td]926[/td][td]424[/td][td]68.59[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4[/td][td]Daniel Bradshaw[/td][td]524[/td][td]255[/td][td]67.27[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]5[/td][td]Doug Wade[/td][td]1057[/td][td]523[/td][td]66.90[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]6[/td][td]Michael Roach[/td][td]607[/td][td]306[/td][td]66.48[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]7[/td][td]Jason Dunstall[/td][td]1254[/td][td]641[/td][td]66.17[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]8[/td][td]Eddie Betts[/td][td]431[/td][td]221[/td][td]66.10[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]9[/td][td]Fraser Gehrig[/td][td]549[/td][td]285[/td][td]65.83[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]10[/td][td]Tony Modra[/td][td]588[/td][td]308[/td][td]65.63[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]11[/td][td]Scott Welsh[/td][td]363[/td][td]192[/td][td]65.41[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]12[/td][td]Paul Chapman[/td][td]366[/td][td]196[/td][td]65.12[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]13[/td][td]Peter McKenna[/td][td]874[/td][td]470[/td][td]65.03[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]14[/td][td]Mark LeCras[/td][td]356[/td][td]192[/td][td]64.96[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]15[/td][td]Paul Salmon[/td][td]561[/td][td]303[/td][td]64.93[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]16[/td][td]Roger Merrett[/td][td]433[/td][td]235[/td][td]64.82[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]17[/td][td]Darren Jarman[/td][td]386[/td][td]210[/td][td]64.77[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]18[/td][td]Jonathan Brown[/td][td]594[/td][td]325[/td][td]64.64[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]19[/td][td]Brian Taylor[/td][td]527[/td][td]289[/td][td]64.58[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]20[/td][td]Michael OLoughlin[/td][td]521[/td][td]286[/td][td]64.56[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]21[/td][td]Saverio Rocca[/td][td]748[/td][td]411[/td][td]64.54[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]22[/td][td]Tom Hawkins[/td][td]354[/td][td]197[/td][td]64.25[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]23[/td][td]Simon Beasley[/td][td]575[/td][td]321[/td][td]64.17[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]24[/td][td]Alastair Lynch[/td][td]633[/td][td]357[/td][td]63.94[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]25[/td][td]Barry Hall[/td][td]746[/td][td]421[/td][td]63.92[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]26[/td][td]Stephen Milne[/td][td]574[/td][td]324[/td][td]63.92[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]27[/td][td]Kelvin Templeton[/td][td]593[/td][td]335[/td][td]63.90[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]28[/td][td]Josh Kennedy[/td][td]405[/td][td]232[/td][td]63.58[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]29[/td][td]Brad Green[/td][td]350[/td][td]201[/td][td]63.52[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]30[/td][td]Jack Riewoldt[/td][td]459[/td][td]266[/td][td]63.31[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]31[/td][td]Simon Madden[/td][td]575[/td][td]334[/td][td]63.26[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]32[/td][td]Michael Moncrieff[/td][td]629[/td][td]366[/td][td]63.22[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]33[/td][td]David Neitz[/td][td]631[/td][td]368[/td][td]63.16[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]34[/td][td]John Longmire[/td][td]511[/td][td]298[/td][td]63.16[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]35[/td][td]Phillip Matera[/td][td]389[/td][td]227[/td][td]63.15[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]36[/td][td]Jeff Farmer[/td][td]483[/td][td]285[/td][td]62.89[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]37[/td][td]Craig Davis[/td][td]360[/td][td]217[/td][td]62.39[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]38[/td][td]Warwick Capper[/td][td]388[/td][td]235[/td][td]62.28[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]39[/td][td]Adam Goodes[/td][td]464[/td][td]284[/td][td]62.03[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]40[/td][td]Dermott Brereton[/td][td]464[/td][td]285[/td][td]61.95[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]41[/td][td]Matthew Pavlich[/td][td]680[/td][td]425[/td][td]61.54[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]42[/td][td]Wayne Carey[/td][td]727[/td][td]457[/td][td]61.40[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]43[/td][td]Drew Petrie[/td][td]413[/td][td]261[/td][td]61.28[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]44[/td][td]Peter Everitt[/td][td]383[/td][td]242[/td][td]61.28[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]45[/td][td]Brad Johnson[/td][td]558[/td][td]355[/td][td]61.12[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]46[/td][td]Stephen Kernahan[/td][td]738[/td][td]471[/td][td]61.04[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]47[/td][td]Nick Riewoldt[/td][td]668[/td][td]428[/td][td]60.95[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]48[/td][td]Jarryd Roughead[/td][td]491[/td][td]315[/td][td]60.92[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]49[/td][td]Brendan Fevola[/td][td]623[/td][td]402[/td][td]60.78[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]50[/td][td]Brent Harvey[/td][td]497[/td][td]321[/td][td]60.76[/td][/tr]
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