The Great Ruck Debate.

[kruddler]

That's not how it works now, that claim is used by the anti-ruck duo brigade to cast doubt.

An opinion, not a fact.
Stats for TOG show otherwise.

The reality is TDK is generally in a complex rotation with Charlie and Harry, but it's no more complex than the D50 or Midfield rotations. Pitto shares bench time mostly from Harry, Charlie, TDK bench time. Technically it won't matter who we have as the 3rd tall in that rotation, the impact on the bench is the same, whether it's a ruck or another KPP like SoJ, Young or Durdin. What changes from the choice of who is in the squad is how they can be used on the field and who they can substitute for in a crisis!

Ooh, 'complex' rotations you say. Tricky.
Your 'reality' is your own.
Charlie and Harrys game time doesn't change based on how many rucks we play. Charlie plays 90%+ every week, and every week he hasn't its because he is off getting treatment or being subbed off from an injury. Similar with Harry....even when he is rucking.
So variability of bench time for KPPs is non-existent in the 2 ruck debate, apart from rucks themselves.
So given that, whether its a ruck or another KPP (SOS, Young) the time on ground vs time on bench is solely down to how good that player is in another position. THIS is exactly why its more beneficial to use players who get picked based on their position to 'part-time' as a ruck, then using shoehorning a 'full-time ruck' into another position part time. Our output suffers.
Or if we don't use a '3rd tall option' as backup ruck and use existing players Harry, Cripps, Kennedy, we get the full benefit of a '2nd ruck replacement bonus mid' to play with.

It quite foolish to think you can have an "All In" approach and leave one significant segment of the zones without a viable back plan. For me it's not viable for Harry to be our ruck backup plan, in fact it's disastrous to withdraw Harry from F50 if our solo ruck goes down, the flow on impact to Charlie and the F50 as well as the diminished ruck / midfield presence is almost impossible to overcome against a well organised opponent. Our F50 strength is the Twin Towers, when we go solo ruck, even without unexpected injuries, we actively degrade one of our key strengths.

'Disastrous'. Enough with the emotive BS language.
As mentioned previously, we've won games with no rucks before. Not much of a disaster was it.

How quick you forget that at the start of the year, Harrys return to form was actually put down to his ability to run free in the ruck and get his confidence back. It would be a disaster if we couldn't do that!

Then you have the absurdity of the claim that when we solo ruck a Mid like Cripps get extra bench time, it's both worthless and meaningless claim. In reality when we solo ruck it's Cripps who ends up doing some of the part-time ruck role, if anything his load goes up when we solo ruck, he's not fresher at all!

'Absurdity'. More emotive BS language.
I've shown you mathematical proof of this numerous times. You simply choose not to reply and spout oh i never saw that.
I can tell everyone in advance which posts you will magically 'not see' and have actually done that. If you get disproven, you stick your head in the sand and pretend it never happened.
Again, have a look at Cripps TOG. Take notice of any peaks and troughs week to week and see if that translates to 1 ruck vs 2.
He spends the same amount of time on ground for both and doesn't change at all with 'extra load' of rucking. He is in the contest the same amount. Some of that he is rucking.

In fact his biggest TOG game was against Geelong, the first game.
Thats when we had both TDK and Pitto.
Why might that be?
Probably because there was less rest time available because it was taken up by an extra ruck. Who would've thunk it.

So not only are you wrong with extra load on mids, you are doubley wrong because they get less!
Absurd. Disastrous.
Factually incorrect

I'm surprised you didn't go with the 'poor KPP will get hurt in the ruck' angle you often spout as well.
Although thats been disproven as well since Harry gets himself crunched every game as it is, and its playing his NORMAL position of key forward. We might actually be doing his body good by letting him ruck keeping him fitter and fresher. But you don't discuss that anymore. Wonder why?