The EV thread

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The Germans are having second thoughts on EV's though and the head of BMW is leading the way.....Mr Zipse didnt tell anyone though he has just done a deal with GWM to supply batteries for his EV beamers....and he wasnt truthful about the lower end of the market either because he knows BYD have entered that part of the market and are starting to sell cars.
https://fortune.com/europe/2024/02/03/ge...di-vw-bmw/

Zipse played the long game, the game that our politicians should be playing, he cut through the hype and really when you ignore the EV hyperbole the choice becomes pretty clear.

In most cases, EV growth comes at the cost of a shift in consumption not a reduction, if we only shift resource consumption to other areas we aren't really becoming zero at all, it's a smokescreen. Where does the energy come from , where do the resources come from, much of it still comes out of the ground even the materials for SolarPV panels. How they attached the word zero to all this stuff is a crime in itself.

If we can take ICE to retrofit with HICE(Hydrogen) or AICE(Ammonia), it means we don't consume more resources replacing perfectly functional cars, engines and transmissions with new. Some will say it can't happen, but it's happened before when LPG became a thing. The trick this time will be not switching from one high carbon emission resource to another high carbon emission limited resource.

Perhaps if Tesla had put their effort into replacing ICEs with Electric Motors, and hot swap batteries instead of built in batteries, things might have worked out better. We already see a growing market in the USA taking the guts out of scrapped Tesla's and retrofitting those guts into classic vehicles. It's hard to imagine it's a thing, but it's is and it is growing on both the personal vehicle and the light transport side. Retrofit hybrid is also another thing, whole fleets similar to UPS, DHL and Fedex are going that way because it makes sense.