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The rise.... and RISE of Marc Pittonet
(07-06-2023, 12:39 AM)Lods link Wrote:Would it possibly be more how the midfield sets up for different Rickman.

It might be, but even if thats the case. Does it matter?

If our midfield either...
a) Set up differently
b) Try harder
c) Get better hitouts
...From one ruckman vs the other on a consistent basis, which one of those 3 it is, is pretty irrelevant in the scheme of things

Personally i think its pretty clear. My eyes told me Pittonet was a very good tap ruckmen long before i looked at the stats.
LP disagrees about the stats and how accurate they are (which is easier than admitting he is wrong).

Ultimately, its a black box scenario.
Pittonet is the input into this 'black box of mystery in which some magic happens and its up for debate as to why' and on the other side of this black box is the output that we get.
If we change TDK to be the input, the output changes too.
Same with Jack and same with Young.
Now, we don't really need to know what is happening inside that black box because all we really care about is the output.
The output of Pittonet in the ruck >> TDK > Jack >> Young.

Whichever way you slice it, whichever line of thinking you want to use to explain what happens in that black box it doesn't matter. Output are measurable.

That being said, its 95% clear that the HTA stat is the reason for it. That stat is not perfect, but its very much consistent for each ruck when accounting for variables over a long period of time.


Since bringing this up i've heard....
1. Its because TDK/Jack have a 2nd string midfield they are rucking too.
2. You need to take into account how many times they hit it directly to the opposition.
3. Its because its our midfield not the ruck

I've clearly disproven all of them based on stats and changeable conditions (be that rucking solo vs tandem and opposition etc) Its always consistent.

Yet....there is always a reason why its NOT the way i say it is.
Perhaps you need to look at whats staring you in the face. Perhaps it IS the way i say it is.
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Re: The rise and RISE of Marc Pittonet - by LP - 07-15-2020, 04:37 AM
Re: The rise and RISE of Marc Pittonet - by PaulP - 07-15-2020, 05:00 AM
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