07-04-2023, 07:44 AM
(07-03-2023, 11:36 PM)LP link Wrote:I don't feel I need to respond to things that are obviously either wrong, trivial, out of context, rock throwing or otherwise spurious.
And within the context of your inferences, the problem isn't the stat and never was the stat, the problem is that any stat that is so open to arbitrary interpretation like HtA is next to useless, pretty much any meaning can be asserted from a chosen or preferred perspective. For example, claiming that Young and SoJ being flogged by opposition rucks is somehow a better outcome than having a competitive or winning duo like Pitto and TDK!
A flogging is a flogging, no matter what arbitrary numbers you want to give to it!
The glitter of HtA is not gold, it's fools gold!
Sometimes i wonder if you dream about the arguments we have, because your responses are not relating to anything thats actually been said. Its like you've made up alternative conversations in your head.
Nobody has suggested SOS/Young won the day, is a preferred ruck duo or any of that.
They were dominated in the ruck, as they should have been. However, if i was a hawthorn supporter, i'd be pissed off with their ruck performance because they failed to really influence the game like they should've. Which is a tick for our part-timers and midfielders.
Going back to your initial deflection....again. You don't respond to that because you can't.
Every week without fail Pittonet gets more hitouts to advantage compared to TDK who gets slightly more than SOJ who all dominate over Young.
You've tried using the '2nd midfield' comments which has been disproven.
Now you're ignoring it altogether.
To recap. Young had a mere 1 hitout to advantage from 61 ruck contests. Why was that the case? Why did Jack have so much more?
Summary...
vs Gold Coast.
Pittonet+TDK vs Witts+Casboult
32 hitouts vs 59 hitouts - dominated in the ruck?
but...
12 HTA vs 13 HTA - A lot of hitouts that meant nothing, and the ones that mattered were even.
12.2% vs 12.7% - RC-HTA% - Call it a draw despite dominate ruck stats in hitouts.....but we know they mean nothing.
vs Hawks
SOJ+Young vs Meek+Reeves
26 vs 61 hitouts - Dominated the ruck
8 vs 12 - making them count when we get them.
8.2% vs 11.5% - RC-HTA% - Call that a win for the hawks, but not total domination like the hitouts suggest.
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However....
Jack - 36 RCs, 12 HOs, 6 HTA - 19.4%
Young- 61 RCs, 14 HOs 1 HTA - 1.6%
Answer me this.....
If we used the same midfield throughout the game (which we did) why is there so much difference between Jacks ability to get a hitout vs Youngs in the same game?
Same midfield. Drastically different results. Clearly not the midfield, but rather the rucks themselves.
