The Climate, Environment and Energy Thread

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So when you claimed blue hydrogen production wouldn’t produce methane emissions because the methane would be catalysed into commercially saleable by-products, you were being a bit disingenuous as you knew the political will isn’t there and the lobbyists are too powerful?

No not at all, I'll reiterate the point you like to ignore, hydrogen as a by-product of mining is only the start up fuel, the ignition phase for a hydrogen economy. I have no idea why you are so hell bent on selectively spreading fear of some technologies, I'll presume you must have big shares in a competitive technology like solar or wind, as it can't be hydro.

Trying to paint blue, grey, technicolour hydrogen whatever you would like to laughingly label it as the one and only source is the misleading part of this debate. I've stated that before and I'll state it again whenever you make a point that seems to imply otherwise.

Nobody I have talked to in the industry expects hydrogen from methane to ever be more than a very small fraction of the bigger economy. But that doesn't mean methane can't be collected, converted or used for other chemical or energy sources. In fact one way to reduce methane emissions is to do just that, turn it into something of greater value, it's fairly obvious. We will never stop producing methane it's a fundamental by-product of human agriculture, chemical industries, pharmaceuticals, materials processing, etc., etc., in fact a fundamental by-product of life!

Yes, lobbyists are powerful, no matter how stupid they are they have clout, for example some are now try to ban nitrogen, yes that is correct there are lobbyists on the anti-nitrogen bandwagon, it must be very profitable, the band wagon is profitable not the nitrogen because we need to ban that!

Ar5es up, line up for your annual methane emissions check! ;D

I don't think you'll find anyone on the planet who thinks methane or any other chemical leak is OK. But I'm sure you'll find plenty of profiteers on both sides of the debate about leaks or spills and what to do about them.

Leaks and spills are not what would fuel the hydrogen economy, by the very definition of leak or spill!

If we stop the mining of rare-earths because of associated methane emissions, what then happens to those noble plans of growing the SolarPV market to the required 80% level, up from the current 3% level? That is right, the very latest figures from the EU itself on energy suggest total wind and solar is less than 3% of the global energy market, and has to get to 80% to reach net zero carbon! But if you genuinely followed that issue you would know that there was a international conference on this very issue right here in Victoria last week. In fact it was so low profile we didn't even have protestors, they must be still OS on holidays from attending COP, but those environmental bastards like BHP, Shell and Fortescue did attend. Real people, discussing real issues with real solutions, and not just a lot of bureaucratic or lobbyist hot air!