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Harry and Megan
(01-15-2023, 02:31 PM)DJC link Wrote:There you go again!

WASP culture!  What exactly is that?

As I have explained previously, the term WASP was used to describe an American ethnoreligious group who are the white, upper-class, Protestant historical elite, originally of British descent but broadened to include people of northwestern European descent.  There isn't and has never been an equivalent ethnoreligious elite group in Australia.  I have no doubt that some folk of  northwestern European descent gave you a hard time but I bet that they weren't all upper class or Protestant. 

Just to reiterate, the term Anglo-Saxon is used in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, annals compiled by monks and clerics to document the achievements of the ruling elite of southeastern England.  It is believed that the original manuscript was compiled during the reign of Alfred the Great but the story commences in 60BCE, the date they believed Caesar's invasion of Britain occurred.  Of course, there were no Angles and no Saxons in Britain when Caesar invaded.  The Angles and the Saxons and the Norse and Normans, Bretons and Flemish all came much later and, rather than replacing the original Britons or Celts, simply supplanted the ruling elites.  Anglo-Saxon is not a culture or a race but was a literary tool used to reinforce a ruling elite.

In the 19th century, some British and American intellectuals, politicians, and academics developed a racial belief system based on the mistaken idea that there was an Anglo-Saxon people.  These white, upper class elites were tagged as WASPs in America and your continued use of the term to describe Australians of northwestern European descent is wrong and racist, as is your categorisation of people who you claim weren't welcoming as Anglo-Saxon.

Racism is "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalised."  Being a minority group or marginalised is not essential.  Your continued reference to Australians of northwestern European descent as Anglo-Saxons who made you feel unwelcome is racist.  Please stop!

A former colleague went for a holiday in Greece, partly to catch up with family and partly to have a good time.  George is blonde with blue eyes and speaks English with the faintest of Greek accents.  He went into a shop on one of the Greek islands and the owner ignored him.  When another customer came in, the owner went to serve him and the following conversation occurred, in Greek:

Second customer: "What about him? (pointing to George)
Owner: "The fecking foreigner can wait!"
George: "Who are you calling a fecking foreigner?"
Owner: "I'm sorry, I didn't realise you were Greek."

George didn't expect to be subjected to racism in his ancestral homeland and was horrified to think that "foreigners" could be treated so badly.

I had lunch with one of my oldest friends recently and she was telling me about her first experiences after emigrating to Australia from Egypt.  Like many Egyptian Greeks, her family fled Nasser's persecution and arrived in Australia with next to nothing.  She said that she and her family experienced nothing but kindness and help from Australians.  She went on to carve out a very successful career and her daughter is a famous singer-songwriter.  I wonder why the "Anglo-Saxons" treated them differently  :-\   
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Interesting. 

The attitude of the British Royal Elites do behave this way, correct or incorrect?

They would rarely have married outside of what they consider the royal elites through history and largely did so to further their own political and imperial alliances in order to protect their peoples and forge alliances to grow their sphere of influence.

Regarding your discussion, I can't help but think that somehow you are taking exception to a considered truth of history that is generally well known, but now seems to be being revised.  That's fine, if I am incorrect ill put my hand up and state that.  I am big enough to admit if I am wrong, or wronging someone and its clear i've struck a nerve.  Whilst I work out what's going on, I am going to link some commentary here that I think may offer a perspective of why perhaps the exception shouldn't be with what I have written on this forum but perhaps with how attitudes shift differently for different people at differing times.

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/h...-australia

Speech by HE Paul Madden, British High Commissioner, to the NSW Community Relations Commission, Parramatta, 18 April 2013.





 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson
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