01-14-2023, 07:14 AM
(01-13-2023, 02:14 PM)DJC link Wrote:My version is based on historical, archaeological, genetic and linguistic evidence. Your version is based on a racist opinion; Anglo-Saxonism was a racial belief system developed by British and American intellectuals, politicians, and academics in the 19th century. It advanced the argument that the civilization of English-speaking nations was superior to that of any other nations because of racial traits and characteristics inherited from the Anglo-Saxon invaders of Britain. We now know that the Angles and Saxons played a relatively minor role; culturally, linguistically and genetically.
Rather than relying on Wikipedia, there are some excellent, very readable books based on the the most up to date research. Alice Roberts is a great writer and I recommend her Buried: an alternative history of the first millennium in Britain, Ancestors: a prehistory of Britain in seven burials, and The Celts. Robin Fleming's Britain after the Romans is another good read. Then there is Blood of the Isles by Bryan Sykes that deals with the DNA evidence. Finally, there's Stephen Pollington's An introduction to the Old English language and its literature.
My patrilineal ancestors arrived in Britain 6,500 years ago and settled in Cumbria where they stayed until four generations ago. My matrilineal ancestors left the Spanish refuge at the end of the last ice age and made their way up the Atlantic coastline as the ice sheets melted. They moved into Britain before the formation of the English Channel. I have some DNA from Germanic Europe (Saxons) but I am mainly a mix of Britons, Celts, Gaels and Norse. I am not Anglo-Saxon, primarily because it is a meaningless term culturally and biologically, but also because my DNA reveals my true ancestry. The term was used to claim racial superiority in the 19th century and, by your own admission, is used by you to identify a class of people who you claim behaved in a particular way, and that's racist.
So just to clarify, I'm racist for having suffered the WASP culture which was by your own comments was a 19th century superiority complex that actually persists today not to all people, but only against indigenous and other minority groups but doesn't apply to anyone of European ancestry?
Sorry trying to work out what point your making because arguing against anglo saxonism, and then stating its been around as a superiority complex since the 19th century doesn't discredit it really. Whatever the history of the brittish peoples DNA might be, when they became the dominant thalassocracy of the world British imperialism reigned, and exploited others.
Call me racist if you like, but I dont think that applies to me:
characterized by or showing prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.
I dont think the people im referring to are a minority, or marginalised and I don't treat others as anything based on anything but their own behaviour. Thing is, when I left my last job, I did so having been one of the Greek boys from IT. Name used interchangeably with my colleagues, because you know who really cares which one of them we are speaking to, people asking me how the kids are (i dont have any, that was my team leader) and just generally feeling invisible.
Anyway, I'm one of the privleged ones I guess. At least I'm not from Africa or Asia or indigenous because I'm not its ok to treat me as inferior and I should have no complaints?
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