General Discussions

[PaulP]

I don't know Paul.

I think it's a case of black and white vs a hundred shades of grey.

I like to think I'm fairly sympathetic to groups who are disadvantaged or prejudiced against through historical traditions.
Do I get excited about indigenous rounds or pride rounds....not really.
I'm just interested in the football.
But discuss with me the need for groups to be accepted and respected and you'll have me a hundred percent on board.

But to tell another person  the level of support 'they' should give to similar causes, and how they should think is above my pay grade.

In the 'real' world that you talk about, shaming and denigrating the opinions and beliefs of others is the most counterproductive way of changing hearts and minds.
The response you get is not to change those opinions...you harden them and drive them underground.
Folks dont engage, they disengage.

I agree that some folks who place their ego above all else react badly to being told their opinions directly or indirectly hurt others. I don't know if softly softly is better than direct statements. To be honest, I'm not fussed. They are welcome to think my opinions are black and white, or that they suck etc.

How do you think we got to the point of having Indigenous round ? Do you think us white guys woke up one morning, realized off our own bat that the blackfellas have faced significant and systemic hurdles for 200 years, and we should work to change it ? Or do you think it was a bottom up, long concerted effort by First Nations people mainly, putting in long hours over decades, raising money, raising awareness, raising profile etc. I'd say the latter.

How do you think we got to the point of having Carlton Respects ? Do you think us white guys woke up one morning, realized off our own bat that ladies have been and continue to be badly treated by men, and we should work to change it ? Or do you think it was a bottom up, long concerted effort by women mainly, putting in long hours over decades, raising money, raising awareness, raising profile etc. I'd say the latter.

Like I said, not evil (at least not all time), not lack of intelligence, just blindness.

You don't need to be passionate about the pride jumper - you just need to understand why it exists, and embrace the values it is trying to advocate.