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[Thryleon]

I agree with a lot of what you are saying, and I think about things the same way you do.

I guess the parts we differ in is this.

You say it's more normal and thus it's becoming more normal.
Correct.....in part for the reasons you say.
However, in part because people feel they can be honest now too.

 

Not exactly.  My body has shaped my identity more than my identity has, so I will never understand this mode of thinking of the body is wrong.  These people dont seem to have that experience for whatever reason or if they do, its to make them think its wrong.  Nope, its yours.  I was the fat kid, and I did my best to turn that around, but after 30 years of exercise I was in the category of not fat for less than about 5 years all up.  As soon as my knee started giving me issues, the fat me returned.  Thats genetics at work, nothing else.  Im currently 100kg and 178cm.  For those playing at home, I way less than Cripps, and am roughly a foot shorter than him.  Oh, and I dont look fat either.  Over weight yes, but not fat.  Only heavy training changed it, and had me at 80kgs with about 3 less cm when I was in high school. 

When being gay became more acceptable, did that turn more people gay or did it allows those who already were gay the freedom to come out, thus 'increasing' the amount of gay people. Similar imo.

https://www.webmd.com/sex/what-is-lesbianism
The word “lesbian” comes from the name of the Greek island Lesbos, where Sappho was born. She was an ancient Greek woman who wrote poems that included homosexual themes. The term “sapphic,” named for this poet, also refers to female homosexuality.

I disagree on this point.  Sexuality was way more hidden and less important.  It didnt define people the way it does today.  See an earlier point I made about people needing to be special or different.

Now going back to your gender identity qualification question.
There is no one answer that satisfies this question. I'll throw a couple things at you to think about.

1. Does it matter what they think or feel?

I need some context for this.  Im not sure if you are asking this about trans or gay people.  Largely, what an individual thinks or feels, is a bit different to the collective.  I know Gay people who are not openly Gay and wear it like a badge of honour, but will tell those they trust about it, and are happier just being themselves.  On this point I am in furious agreement.  We shouldnt see trans/gender, we should see human being X, and worry about their character.  Thing is, sexual orientation says less about character.  I am in the wrong body I think speaks for a bit of a problem to do with mental health and identity.  When I state I know one trans person, it isnt knowing of one person, and having spoken to a person, its I know about this person on a much deeper level.  I worked in night club down commercial road in a past life when I was youngster and met a variety of weird and wonderful people.

2. By extension, what is your take on people who suffer from (I think it's called) Alien limb syndrome? These are the people who have such an issue with one part of their body that they think its not theirs and seek to have it amputated. Only then can they feel 'whole' as such...and happy.

  First time I am hearing of such a phenomenon, but it lives in a level of ridiculous to me.  These people dont need to lose a limb, these people have serious mental health issues, and need to be supported to work through this thinking not entertained and find a hatchet.  Perhaps they should be taken to a place where people have been born without a limb, confronted by them, and should be forced to explain their thinking to people who didnt get that opportunity.  Perhaps this would be abusive.  I am not necessarily nice about this, but whenever I hear of someone who has been given a golden opportunity to live a functional normal life and choose to throw it away I feel nothing but anger, because how dare you selfish individual do something like that, when one of the boys I went to school with died at age 18 because a brain tumour had other ideas for him.  Ive heard of too many tradegies in my lifetime and feel that these people who elect to do something completely stupid (yes I lack empathy for this and no Im not sorry about it) owe it to others NOT to do this.

3. This highlights what would be considered a 'wiring' issue within the brain. Some people who have foot fetishs are believed to because of a similar wiring issue within the brain. That has people obsessing over a non-traditionally sexualising part. Is it for you to say that their feeling of that is wrong? Could they qualify why the feel that way? Could you understand if they did? They just know how they feel.

I suppose Paedophiles feel the same way.  Should we green light that too? They will feel ok with it, wont they? 

FIX THE WIRING

4. Does it matter WHY they think or feel that way?

Absofukinglutely it does.