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Pandemic Management bill. Health and well-being Act 2021.
(11-25-2021, 03:13 AM)spf link Wrote:HAHAHAHAHA - just rubbish and YOU KNOW IT. Rewrite history all you want - it happened. Ordinary people were complicit and many did identify as socialists - do not try to paint over this.
Your tactic of boldly declaring that anyone who disagrees with you really knows that you are right is pretty weak. Try to read a bit of history. You'll find the Social Democratic Party stood against Hitler while just about every other party, including the Communist Party, played footsie with Hitler at various stages. The conservative parties thought they could control and use him. The Communists, as ordered by Moscow, refused to work with the Social Democratic Party because they wanted to destroy any moderate workers' party. The Centre Party was more interested in protecting religious freedom. The SPD was the only party that voted against the Enabling Act which gave the Nazis control of the government. The SPD was then banned and many of its members were jailed, sent to concentration camps, or went into exile. Trade Unions were also abolished and collective bargaining was banned.

The Social Democrats were more like the ALP than a textbook socialist party: they were more of a trade union party. It was down to around 20% of the vote when it was banned. It may well be that many blue collar workers were attracted to Hitler in the same way that many became Trump voters in 2016 & 2020, but that's the thing about individual voting rather than bloc voting. Individuals may have a range of priorities which mean they become swing voters. But whether those who traditionally would have supported the SPD would have identified as socialists after they started supporting Hitler is highly questionable just as it's highly unlikely any blue collar workers who switched their support to Trump would have done so while regarding themselves as socialists (other than Bernie Bros who may have wanted to punish the Democratic Party for preferring Hillary as the Presidential Candidate).

One of the problems is that socialism is hard to pin down in any event. Does it involve the government owning all the means of production? Or does it involve the government owning some key businesses in order to exert influence over private businesses, such as when Telstra and the Commonwealth Bank were owned by the Government. Or does it involve the government regulating businesses to limit the excesses of rampant capitalism? Or does it merely involve seeking to redistribute wealth to some extent to ensure fairness to the poor and passing legislation to ensure social justice? Or does it just mean being a bit more progressive than the centrists in a left-wing party? The term is basically nebulous as is apparent from the attempts conservative politicians make to paint every opponent as a socialist. 
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Re: Pandemic Management bill. Health and well-being Act 2021. - by Mav - 11-25-2021, 06:03 AM

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