11-12-2021, 04:29 AM
(11-11-2021, 08:28 PM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Gee, why only tell 1/10th of the story David?
Do you want a lesson on RRR vs. ARR? ARR is about 1%. Citing RRR without the ARR is deceitful.
No, the paper I referenced is not a clinical trial but a real life study.
Or you could then throw in the recent Swedish study:
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?...id=3949410
Yes, the effectiveness of all vaccines wanes over time. My cousin has to have his childhood vaccinations again because he no longer has immunity. It has been known for some time that an annual COVID vaccine will be necessary.
And then on transmission - total fail:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanin...4/fulltext
I'm not sure how much reliance you can place on a study involving only 231 individuals and no controls for other factors. However:
Quote:Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.
That seems like a win to me.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/...21264262v2
Relevance? The bottom line is that vaccinated folk have less chance of infection and have less sever symptoms if they do get COVID. For example, another real life study, this time from Canada:
Quote:Just seven fully vaccinated Albertans in their 50s have been admitted to an intensive care unit with COVID-19 since mid-May.
That compares to 181 unvaccinated people of the same age — despite the fact that there are far fewer of them.
Fully vaccinated 50-somethings were admitted to ICU at a rate of less than 3 per 100,000.
The rate among the unvaccinated, by comparison, was 139 per 100,000.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/a...-1.6178449[/quote]
And then on the vaccine fall out - inexcusable....
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/why-c...-how-these?
Nothing like a bit of fake news! In fact:
[quote]CDC reviewed 14 reports of death after vaccination. Among the decedents, four were aged 12–15 years and 10 were aged 16–17 years. All death reports were reviewed by CDC physicians; impressions regarding cause of death were pulmonary embolism (two), suicide (two), intracranial hemorrhage (two), heart failure (one), hemophagocytic lymphohistiocytosis and disseminated Mycobacterium chelonae infection (one), and unknown or pending further records (six).
It's also worth noting that the 14 reports of death arose after approximately 8.9 million US adolescents aged 12–17 years had received the Pfizer vaccine.
https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19...11-11-2021
Only 647 coincidental deaths now. Sweet.
Yes, people die, and particularly those aged 65 and over. The vast majority of the 656 folk who died after immunisation were 65 and over. Inccidentally, the age standardised death rate for January to July 2021 was 246.1, comparable to the 245.8 recorded in 2020 and below the historical average of 262.5. Not that 656 deaths would have much impact on our death rate but there's no reason to assume that the 647 deaths are anything but normal deaths from ischaemic heart disease or other common causes of death.
It is worth noting that only 9 deaths are linked to immunisation after 36.9 million doses have been administered.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?” Oddball

