The Climate, Environment and Energy Thread

[Thryleon]

Whether clean energy is as clean as its proponents make out is only of peripheral interest. It's way better that coal and the technologies currently in use. This line of argumentation leads very quickly and easily to inaction.

Clean energy is only one piece of the jigsaw puzzle. One needs to consider transport, building construction and other aspects as well.

Paul, I will go on record and state if people can debunk my thinking, then do so, but there is an equation that gets missed when calculating the environmental impacts.

Manufacturing.
Disposal.
Cleaning (this one is particularly important for solar panels which wastes a lot of water).
Storage (batteries, lithium, graphite, silicon).
Shipping, and installation.
Real estate.

There are examples of companies selling "clean energy" from batteries that are storing power that are charged using base load coal to compensate for when the sun doesnt shine, or the wind doesnt blow.

There are also a lot of impacts on wildlife, and nature that are not told about when the solar panels become giant death rays thanks to reflection for bird wildlife.

https://abcbirds.org/wp-content/uploads/...Energy.pdf


I will go on record here, and state that I dont have full knowledge of what is right and wrong, and I do agree we need to do what we can in the name of conservation, but a lot of rewnewable energy sources are not that renewable.