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Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
(06-07-2021, 08:28 AM)Macca37 link Wrote:Read post 148 by WASurfer and tell me where he is wrong.

Where you accuse people of seeing black and white I believe the bulk of what they are seeing is grey and an acceptance that our rebuild has been a failure.

You take comfort from the fact that we are not on the bottom of the ladder.  But where we are now and where we are heading is surely cold comfort for where we are in this rebuild.

You take comfort from the fact that under Teague our losses are not as bad as they used to be.  Big deal.  We are still losing.

With my view on our loss on Sunday you would no doubt place me with the black and white brigade.

I do not know the Eagles players well.  From the way they played it was not possible to single out their five newcomers.  They all played as a cohesive unit to a set plan and carried it out well enough to embarrass us.

Watching our response to them soon showed a side seemingly unwilling or unable to follow a game plan - if indeed we have one - and crushing the hopes of supporters.

Yes, after 6 six years it is reasonable to expect we should be knocking on the doors of the 8.  It is being done by sides who were below us while we are now bumbling along trying to work out what has gone wrong. 

Is it the coach and/or coaching staff?  Is it the Board?  Is it poor recruitment? Is it poor development of players? Etc, etc.

While all the questions are being asked with no easy answers, we will remain a shambles.
I replied to his post directly after that. His very first sentence is over the top nonsense. I'm not bothering with the rest.

I have done countless analysis of our football club and where we are now vs where we were with a prediction of where we might get too. Read around.

Comparisons to Melbourne a few years ago.
Comparisons to Saints and Bombers earlier this year....and as recently as yesterday!
Read here for some recent comparisons....
https://www.carltonsc.com/index.php?topic=5377.0

I've said repeatedly the road to success is a rollercoaster with plenty of ups and downs. Don't think that every up means thats our new base and every down is our current level. We are not as bad as people say.

The reason i keep pointing out that we don't get flogged and that we are winning more than we used to is not because i am happy with where we are, its because we are better than where we were. Believe it or not, we continue to rise as a team.
Some people see it as simple wins and losses......but thats very naive. The link above shows why, specifically with Bombers.

I brought up % as a measure of success. People scoff at it, but thats because they don't actually take time to think about what that means.
Our % is currently 92.4%, that is unheard of for a team that is 4-8 for starters. But looking at our last 2 decades, our best football was played under Ratten and our first season under Malthouse where we made finals from 9th.
Excluding that 6 year period, our next best % (from the other 14 years) was last year where we ended up with 94.34% That is about the same as Rattens first year (2008) where we went 10-12 with 94.18%. No other years are above 90% There are 3 above 80%...one of which was Teagues first (half) season.

So what....
Our team is playing the best it has in the last 20 years (Ratten era aside) albeit without the wins coming through.
I would much prefer where we are now, than Pagans best year where we went 10-12 (2004) and had a % of just 81.66%.
That showed we were crap, but lucky.
Now we are better, but unlucky.
It is only a matter of times until it translates to wins.
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Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast - by kruddler - 06-07-2021, 09:10 AM

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