The rise.... and RISE of Marc Pittonet

[ElwoodBlues1]

So i've dug up this thread because i am a bit dumbfounded by all the hate re Pittonet vs Grundy.

I watched the match without looking at stats and thought, at worst, Pittonet drew level with Grundy. I was shocked when i saw the hitouts stats of 51 - 21. So i went digging into those stats.

Firstly, some comparison numbers from the night....
Stat - Pittonet - Gundy
Disposals - 8 - 16 (Contested 7 - 10)
Kicks - 7 - 7
Metres gained - 190 - 160
Clangers - 3 - 5
Turnovers - 1 - 2
Deff - 50 - 56.3
So Grundy got it more, but most of them were nothing handballs and Pittonet actually gained more ground despite having half as many touches. Disposal efficiency is a little bit deceptive. Since Pittonet had a higher kick to hb ratio and had more meters gained, it stands to reason his disposals were harder. Only 9 of Grundys 16 disposals were considered effective. He had 9 handballs. So that is like saying for every handball he had that was ineffective, he had 1 kick that was effective.
Marks - 3 - 3
Intercept marks - 2 - 2
Contested Marks - 2 - 1
So marks wise, they had the same, but Pittonet had more contested.
Clearances - 4 - 4
I50's - 3 - 1
Tackles - 2 - 6
Goal assists - 0 - 1
Goals.behinds - 1.1 - 0.0
Pittonet shaded only by tackles here. He managed to hit the scoreboard and pump it inside 50 more by comparison
Ruck contests - 81 - 85
Hitouts - 21 - 51
HO to Adv. - 10 - 18
HO to adv rate - 45.7 - 35.3
Yes, he was smashed in actual hitouts, but in terms of hitouts to advantage, almost half the time he touched it, it went down our throat. Compared with just over one third for Grundy. What does it mean? He is more talented when he gets his hand on the ball. This is the are he lost, but its not anywhere near as bad as the basic stats show.

TBH, i'm not sure why hitouts are still a stat. We should focus on hitouts to advantage.
Players don't get credited with how many times they paddle the ball along the ground, only significant touches count like handballs and kicks. Why don't we focus on the significant touches of the rucks instead of the nothing touches.


So.....tell me exactly why Pittonet is only a second string ruck and Grundy is the greatest thing since sliced bread?
Considering how well the pies mids played by comparison to ours, i'd say Pittonets stats would be half as good as Grundy, not the same or better.

Give the block some credit!

Hitouts to No advantage to either team a stat?....Hitouts to an advantage that result in a goal from the following chain of play a stat....?
Its all relative to what happens afterwards IMHO...