9/11 Debate

[LP]

You are confusing yourself. You said 3 floors or 10m. Fine. I pointed out that those floors don't instantaneously vanish, so you halved it. So, 1.5 floors rather than 3. I pointed out that you are still 'vanishing' floors. This means your numbers don't work.

Then you talk about people making phone calls about floors collapsing. Which is fine, i believe that to be true. But you tell me, is it the floors collapsing that caused the whole thing to fall down? Or is it some floors, then they made phone calls. Then other floors? I can tell you that they certainly didn't have time to make a phone call once it started collapsing completely.

Also, by that link, they can;t agree on how exactly it failed either. They have some theories, but are not 100% certain. Which is fine.
There are other theories on how they came down which also fit the bill. There is theories which can be equally as plausible....but are scoffed at by blokes like you who (unlike me) refuse to look at the other side of things.
Nobody has commented about phone calls and the pentagon.

Only thing that i've said is the manouvre required could not be done with the precision it was by a novice pilot.
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If there was a plane crash, you usually see evidence of the plane that crashed....and/or footage of the plane itself.

There is no vanishing floors, each floor, the ones below and above the impact weighed about 1,450,000kg. The floors falling from above alone has a mass of about 15,000,000kg even without the walls and other structures. The collapsed floors reported would create a void only filled by structural members two or three floors in height, once those structural members fail buckling the next impact of the 10 or more stories above that are collapsing is 2 or 3 floors below, it's not hard to understand. The top floors collapsing at WTC1 or WTC2 were like a dead blow hammer that was 4050sqm and 22,500,000 kg in size.

Even if we assume 50% error in all the estimates of weight, rate or fall or distance the figures are still extraordinary and well beyond the design limits of any building. In effect we have tens of millions of tonnes impacting vertically somewhere between the 80th and 90th floor.

The situation was even worse at WTC7, because the heat affected structures on the lower floors had even more weight above them than the top sections of WTC1 or WTC2.