03-12-2021, 11:14 PM
(03-12-2021, 12:12 PM)DJC link Wrote:It's a bit hard to follow Dr Tegnell's arguments/statements because he changes the goalposts quite often.
To start with, it's worth noting that he was in hot water back in 2009 when he was behind the mass vaccination of Swedes with a vaccine that wasn't approved by the US FDA and was known to cause neurological disorders. It caused narcolepsy in many Swedish children.
In April 2020, Tegnell stated, “In major parts of Sweden, around Stockholm, we have reached a plateau (in new cases) and we’re already seeing the effect of herd immunity and in a few weeks’ time we’ll see even more of the effects of that. And in the rest of the country, the situation is stable.”
As anyone with a basic knowledge of herd immunity knows, the percentage of the population that has to have contracted a disease or have been vaccinated against it varies according to how infectious it is. For example it is >90% for measles and probably around 70% for COVID-19. It's also worth noting that herd immunity for novel viruses has never been achieved by natural infection.
In late October 2020, Tegnell conceded that it would be "futile and immoral for a state to deliberately pursue herd immunity". Tegnell also stated, "Throughout history there has up to now been no infectious disease whose transmission was fully halted by herd immunity without a vaccine.”
In February 2021, Dr Tegnell told Swedish public radio: "If we were to encounter the same disease again, knowing exactly what we know about it today, I think we would settle on doing something in between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world has done."
If that's not a concession that he was wrong, I don't know what is.
By the way, Sweden, with a population of 10.23M, has had 707K COVID cases and 13,111 deaths. Neighbours Norway and Denmark, with a combined population of 11.1M, have had 297K COVID cases and 3,0323 deaths. Norway (population 5,3M) has only had 78K cases and 639 deaths. Whichever way you crunch those numbers, Sweden's approach has been an appalling failure. Now they are closing the border with Denmark, instituting lockdowns and just over 1M doses of vaccine have been administered.
Wrong, wrong and wrong. And no, those statements are a direct result of internal political pressures.....on Tegnell.
Quote:As anyone with a basic knowledge of herd immunity knows,
Gee David, get up to speed before you launch with that sort of stuff.
Read some of Gabriela Gomes' work.
The Brit Nic Lewis is onto it too.
https://www.nicholaslewis.org/why-herd-i...ht-update/
It's all about the heterogeneity of populations.
15% to 20% might even get the job done.....
As for the claim that Sweden has been an appalling failure, again rubbish.
The only ones saying Sweden is a failure is the MSM - the data does not reflect that at all.
And of course we couldn't acknowledge that the time tested methods, universally deployed, up to the end of 2019, are the optimum path.
Even with Ebola, lockdowns were never recommended., let alone mandated.
Why compare only to small Nordic nations? Strawman stuff.
Against the bigger Euro nations, they have done very well indeed.
I've already put up data on age adjusted excess deaths.....and if you want more on the Nordic comparison.....
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?...id=3674138
It's all out there, most just don't do their homework but still feel happy to espouse vacuous claims.
Finals, then 4 in a row!