CV and mad panic behaviour

[Thryleon]

Not at all, firstly the idea that a vaccine is solely responsible for a demise is laughable, and secondly the numbers are drastically different.

Up until today, 205,000,000 COVID vaccinations have been issued, yet the sensationalist media and anti-vaxxers highlight a handful of correlated incidents that could be severe reactions.

"Letting it Rip" would be the equivalent of putting the mutating virus on steroids and expecting a good result. It's a complete misunderstanding of how a virus evolves in relation to how immunity develops. The sort of immunity the anti-vaxxers claim will come from a release requires global deaths to be in the 8 and 9 digit category, 10 or 100 times more than now!
All the current vaccines are approved for emergency use after Stage III trials testing vaccine on 10,000 to 40,000 individuals in double blind, which bypasses Stage IV where perhaps it is required to specifically test vaccine on 100,000 or more individuals are required. But by accelerating the roll-out of emergency use Stage IV is effectively already being conducted in many regions. It's wrong to consider people as guinea pigs when vaccinated in Feb 2021, because some regions have been vaccinating since Dec 2020, it's just that each region has sovereignty over it's own approval process. But globally due to the very high numbers of people already vaccinated the trial is effectively done.

Testing 10,000,000 over 3 months is functionally the same as testing 2,000,000 over a year or 1,000,000 over two years with a good safe margin. Humans struggle with the math because it doesn't fit with personal experience. These are numbers a regular deliberate trial can only dream of!

Keep in mind the anti-vaxxers and media are referring to incidents that happened within minutes or hours of being vaccinated. How many hours have passed for those individuals already vaccinated, I don't know how to do that calculation but it will be billions of hours!

Some vaccines have been given permission to Challenge test, which makes this Stage III and IV process effectively redundant, but is not consider as scientifically rigorous as there is no double blind trial.

Despite the rare events that relate to specifics, this vaccine is already statistically safer than driving, flying, eating nuts, smoking, drinking alcohol, sunbaking, climbing a ladder, taking a shower, having a bath. I realise this doesn't fit with some people's experience, but you can't debate the math, it just is!

You might die, I might die, coincidentally or just because of the injection, or because of anaphylactic shock, but you are more likely to die trying a new food or restaurant this week!

There is still enough statistical bias in the numbers to show, that adverse outcomes vary for all ages, and that those who die "from covid" sometimes actually die from something else, AND they have covid, which simply complicates their treatment.

THAT is an uncomfortable truth, not easily explained.

THAT is why we locked down though. To stop those vulnerable people from dieing from COVID.  Statistically, if COVID led to bad outcomes, our return travellers should start heading into hospital, and having the odd covid death by now.

We dont but there might be a reason for that.  Most likely linked to the demographic of return traveller, and worker in hotel quarantine.  i.e. these people are likely younger and fitter than average.  Hence the lack of COVID deaths since we "eradicated" it. 


As for the vaccines, the story I quoted is one that should be heeded.  That H1N1 vaccine was sidelined after they jabbed 40 million people in 1973.  The data shows 1 extra case of GBS per 100 000 people.  Not significant in itself, but significant enough if you were the one who ended up with it.

Hence what I stated previously.  You are confirming your bias by subscribing to the answer of vaccines dont do any harm.  They can, and sometimes they do.  Thats not to mean we shouldnt administer it, it just means we need to be cautious about what we are doing, why we are doing it, and what the potential outcomes are.  I dont blame anyone for not wanting it, and I dont blame anyone who thinks they should get it, because they ultimately are guided by whats good for them.