Trumpled (Alternative Leading)

[Thryleon]

To be fair, Thryleon, he was saying he just assumed any women would consent because he was a star, so he didn’t need to bother with looking for signs of consent or giving the woman any offramps. That’s indecent assault or rape if the woman in fact  isn’t consenting.

  Mav, I think this is asserting its assault, rather than taking the comments at face value (see below).

Trump: Yeah, that’s her. With the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.

Bush: Whatever you want.

Trump: Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.

The “I’m a star/powerful person and she wanted me to do whatever I wanted” defence hasn’t served Bill Cosby, Harvey Weinstein or Roger Ailes well.

And the complaints from women show that on this occasion Trump wasn’t lying. One woman accused him of penis into vagina rape and is currently suing him for defamation after he called her a liar.

That's the key sentence here.  He's not talking about rape, assault or anything.  He's talking about consent.

Just because one woman accuses him of rape, even if true doesn't mean he rapes everyone he kisses, or that he is indeed talking about rape above.

I am well aware of the #metoo movement, and what that is trying to say, in respect to people using positions of power to sleep with people and coerce them into not having a choice.  I think this is very different to that in Trump's case.  He is aware that there are impressionable people trying to sleep their way into a society that they don't have access to via other methods, and far as I am concerned, no one is forced to do anything that they don't want to with the above comments, and its up to people to own their actions and responsibility for those actions.

What I am insinuating, is that there was consent, and then regret.  Very different.  Now you would have to know these people intimately, and seen what transpired to know better.  I don't pretend to know to, but these comments have been used to paint him as a rapist and assaulter.  That's not right IMHO.

This is very different to being preyed upon by others.  Rape, assault, etc, is very much not what I am advocating for, and if found guilty of actions Trump should be persecuted and quite rightly and rather than her suing him for defamation for being liar, where is his conviction of rape to go with that?  He wouldn't have been president at all if that were found to be accurate, let alone sued for defamation to go with it.

Look, people don't like him, and I understand why.  I actually don't like the man either, but in the comments above, we see red blooded masculinity being lined up and whacked by the feminist agenda, not rape, assault, etc.  Many a relationship would have failed to form without some of what Trump is talking here.  These things dont occur like a contract, and I have never asked for permission to kiss someone, you just go for it, and then back off if knocked back.