(07-07-2020, 03:30 AM)LP link Wrote:Actually the Flourish chart is pretty good, in that it reports realistic figures of a bunch of relative diseases over a short period. I don't think the authors made any effort to represent itself as a statistical breakdown of all deaths.
As I mentioned before, it's easy for cynics to misrepresent the statistics, because they publish and discuss the figures as absolute and not as percentage change in a baseline. COVID-19 is a new disease, it's numbers have to be reported in addition to pre-existing causes of death, not as a percentage of the previous death rates!
A nice figure in the flourish chart is the COVID-19 versus Influenza, as cynics always use the "COVID-19 is no worse than the Flu" argument, but clearly that is not the case and never was! If you hear "COVID-19 no worse than the Flu", you know it's fake news!
FWIW, the general international consensus is that COVID-19 deaths are understated, because many regions use the numbers as a political tool. For example, China and Russia pretty much exclude COVID-19 as a cause if any other disease is present. They do that despite it being accepted that people with pre-existing conditions are far more susceptible to death from a coincident COVID-19 infection. For example, if you get a COVID-19 infection and that affects your heart and pass away, and you have a record of a previous heart condition, Russia and China will report the cause of death cardiovascular disease. Meaning the reported figures are artificially low, probably only for political and social engineering purposes.
Anyway, all that spin is just for the media and conspiracy theorists, the numbers are so big and the sample size so large that the baselines are well established now. How many get it, how many of those who get it will die, are all pretty much locked into the math.
Rubbish. A graph cannot be "pretty good" if it excludes relevant data. By design or otherwise....
So it's just coincidence that covid happens to end up on top? ROFL.
" the general international consensus is that COVID-19 deaths are understated" Disagree. Strongly. China and Russia are but 2 countries. Excess death numbers do not support your proposition.
To digress, in Italy for example, 99% of COVID deaths had 1 or more comorbidity. If one dies with COVID rather than from COVID....it counts!
India has shown the way with only 14 deaths per million - in a poor country with high population and familial density.
Many US States and counties have adopted a probable test (over 15 categories), where a person who hasn't actually tested positive gets treated as a positive....
IFRs - globally on average little more than a bad flu season - fact. https://swprs.org/studies-on-covid-19-lethality/
And let's not even get started on how many lives would have been saved if treated early with the HCQ cocktail. Or if f...wits liked Cuomo in NYC hadn't forced elderly folk back into homes from hospitals irrespective of whether they had the virus. Sweden and the UK also had very poor records in this regard.
And before you ramble on about WHO's latest BS proclamation, do some reading:
Four studies this past week in support of HCQ:
HCQ/AZ/Zn, 99.3% outpatient survival rate (Zelenko): https://preprints.org/manuscript/202007.0025/v1…
HCQ reduces mortality by >50% (Henry Ford): https://ijidonline.com/article/S1201-971...8/fulltext…
HCQ+AZ w/ 0.5% mortality rate (Raoult) : https://sciencedirect.com/science/articl...3920302817
Mount Sinai (NYC) study by Mikami et al showing HCQ resulted in a ~50% decreased mortality rate in COVID-19 patients (similar results as Henry Ford Hospital).
https://t.co/tgFtMcG2Q4?amp=1
The most politicised medical 'event' ever - Big Pharma gone mad. Again.
Finals, then 4 in a row!