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GM to dump Holden
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(02-13-2019, 12:49 AM)LP link Wrote:Can they help it, isn't it just a pareidolia or similar cognitive bias effective?

Once they have heard or read the spin they develop a cognitive bias in the absence of contradictory evidence, it's the same mechanism that allows fake news and propaganda to flourish. Whether you read, hear or see such advice you are cognitively prime to believe it. The visual version of this is pareidolia when you cannot unsee some pattern once someone has pointed it out to you. There are audible and written words equivalents of this phenomenon.

Media organisations like newspapers and programs like ACA and 60 Minutes rely on priming your cognition to agree with them, but they are irresponsible and cannot undo what they did. Which is why for example despite being proven to have cheated the system and media heavily reporting that people keep buying VW cars like Golf's, ignoring any number of reports showing those cars are not the quality people believe and that VW cheated the system. Joe Average cannot verify the performance figures, he relies on professional media to do this, but the internet is full of bloggers and now "professional influencers" who profit from product placement and promotion. The same reason people continue to believe climate change is a hoax, vaccines are dangerous and the new wave of believers that the world is flat.

It's why I'm so strong on defending our club in the media, if you let people keep bashing us without restraint being submissive and timid becomes part of the club's culture. Insidiously it's creeps into the playing and coaching group psyche.

Like the way our AFLW keeps losing.

I generally think that these are arbitrary claims, originating in old world times.

i.e.  Italian Leather.

All of it comes from different animals, in different countries using the same process to create.

Therefore, why is it only Italian leather that is expensive??

The answer is, that most of this stuff is from ROMAN times when manufacturing and products were different in every country.

These days they take the same raw materials, and manufacture something using the same materials, therefore, the only difference becomes the overheads, and quality control measures.

The only real difference can be where the money is invested as part of the developement process.  This is why your 2nd/3rd series of any car is likely to be the one where all the bugs are ironed out and things just work and work well, the last one will be the cheapest one to manufacture with perhaps the most flaws due to using inferior ingredients to achieve the same build and using slight visual upgrades and a few bonus extras, and your 1st one is the most experimental with varying results.


Long story short, apply that last paragraph in bold to any make, model or manufacturer and you will likely walk away with a good vehicle rather than stating the exact same fallousies we are discussing.

That being said, I think Nissan make the best car for a cross between build quality, service, reliability, aesthetics and price point. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson
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GM to dump Holden - by ElwoodBlues1 - 02-10-2019, 06:26 AM
Re: GM to dump Holden - by capcom - 02-10-2019, 09:49 AM
Re: GM to dump Holden - by cookie2 - 02-11-2019, 10:00 AM
Re: GM to dump Holden - by ElwoodBlues1 - 02-11-2019, 11:27 AM
Re: GM to dump Holden - by cookie2 - 02-11-2019, 08:09 PM
Re: GM to dump Holden - by LP - 02-11-2019, 09:19 PM
Re: GM to dump Holden - by JonHenry - 02-11-2019, 11:33 PM
Re: GM to dump Holden - by Thryleon - 02-11-2019, 11:37 PM
Re: GM to dump Holden - by JonHenry - 02-12-2019, 12:06 AM
Re: GM to dump Holden - by cookie2 - 02-12-2019, 12:31 AM
Re: GM to dump Holden - by LP - 02-12-2019, 01:16 AM
Re: GM to dump Holden - by Thryleon - 02-12-2019, 02:15 AM
Re: GM to dump Holden - by DJC - 02-12-2019, 04:27 AM
Re: GM to dump Holden - by LP - 02-12-2019, 09:49 PM
Re: GM to dump Holden - by Thryleon - 02-12-2019, 11:07 PM
Re: GM to dump Holden - by DJC - 02-13-2019, 12:35 AM
Re: GM to dump Holden - by LP - 02-13-2019, 12:49 AM
Re: GM to dump Holden - by cookie2 - 02-13-2019, 02:34 AM
Re: GM to dump Holden - by LP - 02-13-2019, 03:12 AM
Re: GM to dump Holden - by DJC - 02-13-2019, 03:43 AM
Re: GM to dump Holden - by cookie2 - 02-13-2019, 04:15 AM
Re: GM to dump Holden - by LP - 02-13-2019, 05:32 AM
Re: GM to dump Holden - by ElwoodBlues1 - 02-13-2019, 05:42 AM
Re: GM to dump Holden - by DJC - 02-13-2019, 07:57 AM
Re: GM to dump Holden - by Gointocarlton - 02-13-2019, 10:44 AM
Re: GM to dump Holden - by ElwoodBlues1 - 02-13-2019, 10:50 AM
Re: GM to dump Holden - by DJC - 02-13-2019, 11:02 AM
Re: GM to dump Holden - by LP - 02-13-2019, 09:19 PM
Re: GM to dump Holden - by Thryleon - 02-14-2019, 02:48 AM
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Re: GM to dump Holden - by Professer E - 02-14-2019, 05:32 AM
Re: GM to dump Holden - by Gointocarlton - 02-14-2019, 06:51 AM
Re: GM to dump Holden - by kruddler - 02-14-2019, 07:12 AM
Re: GM to dump Holden - by cookie2 - 02-14-2019, 07:32 AM
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Re: GM to dump Holden - by ElwoodBlues1 - 02-14-2019, 10:48 AM
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Re: GM to dump Holden - by Professer E - 02-17-2019, 03:30 AM
Re: GM to dump Holden - by ElwoodBlues1 - 02-17-2019, 05:48 AM
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Re: GM to dump Holden - by ElwoodBlues1 - 06-09-2019, 08:12 AM
Re: GM to dump Holden - by PaulP - 06-09-2019, 08:19 AM
Re: GM to dump Holden - by ElwoodBlues1 - 06-09-2019, 08:28 AM
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Re: GM to dump Holden - by capcom - 06-09-2019, 10:45 AM
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Re: GM to dump Holden - by ElwoodBlues1 - 06-10-2019, 02:20 AM
Re: GM to dump Holden - by ElwoodBlues1 - 06-10-2019, 02:37 AM
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Re: GM to dump Holden - by cookie2 - 06-29-2019, 02:22 AM
Re: GM to dump Holden - by ElwoodBlues1 - 09-25-2019, 07:33 AM
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Re: GM to dump Holden - by ElwoodBlues1 - 09-25-2019, 09:46 AM
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Re: GM to dump Holden - by ElwoodBlues1 - 09-26-2019, 12:41 AM
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Re: GM to dump Holden - by ElwoodBlues1 - 10-01-2019, 06:30 AM
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Re: GM to dump Holden - by ElwoodBlues1 - 02-17-2020, 03:21 AM
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Re: GM to dump Holden - by ElwoodBlues1 - 02-17-2020, 03:57 AM
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Re: GM to dump Holden - by ElwoodBlues1 - 05-08-2020, 08:40 AM
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Re: GM to dump Holden - by Gointocarlton - 05-09-2020, 07:15 AM
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Re: GM to dump Holden - by ElwoodBlues1 - 06-03-2020, 01:40 AM
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Re: GM to dump Holden - by Professer E - 06-03-2020, 02:02 AM
Re: GM to dump Holden - by cookie2 - 06-03-2020, 07:14 AM
Re: GM to dump Holden - by Thryleon - 06-05-2020, 12:37 AM
Re: GM to dump Holden - by Baggers - 06-05-2020, 12:51 AM
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Re: GM to dump Holden - by PaulP - 06-05-2020, 08:44 AM
Re: GM to dump Holden - by ElwoodBlues1 - 06-05-2020, 09:03 AM
Re: GM to dump Holden - by LP - 08-07-2020, 01:57 AM
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Re: GM to dump Holden - by Gointocarlton - 08-08-2020, 07:17 AM
Re: GM to dump Holden - by Baggers - 08-08-2020, 07:25 AM
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Re: GM to dump Holden - by capcom - 08-08-2020, 09:29 AM
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Re: GM to dump Holden - by ElwoodBlues1 - 07-19-2021, 08:46 AM
Re: GM to dump Holden - by Thryleon - 07-19-2021, 09:11 AM
Re: GM to dump Holden - by ElwoodBlues1 - 07-19-2021, 09:27 AM
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Re: GM to dump Holden - by ElwoodBlues1 - 07-07-2023, 07:06 AM
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