SSM Plebiscite

[Thryleon]

Well said. The 'masculinity models' have been in dire need of overhaul for many centuries. Organised religion has much to answer for... but, as you might say, that's another topic for another day (along with the knuckle dragging machismo cultural influences).

Sorry Spotted One, but I have to disagree with you on, "...and heterosexual women do harass gay males, just as heterosexual males harass lesbians, they are real world events!" Nuh, you'll find far too many hetero males deriding gay women (out of abject ignorance) but seldom will you find hetero women being anything but engaging with gay males. It is one of those cliches that is, in the main, quite true. In fact I believe you'll find that women in general are far more accepting of and engaging with gay men and women (unless they've been indoctrinated by some fundamentalist religious claptrap).

Come again?

Why does religion as a whole cop it when its got nothing to do with the price of fish?

This overarching discussion is a complete red herring.

People are told by their religions to treat others as they would have others treat them and then a bunch of other things to help guide people to act the right way based on free will. Ultimately people are never blind sheep.  They like to make up their own mind, and wont simply "do as they are told".  So you get the good with the bad in religion, and then use statistics that are pretty well skewed towards the rotten bunch of the physically dominant gender (lets face it, it would be in reverse if women had the upper hand, and thats just pure biology talking).


If you look for a reason to perpetuate misandry, you will find it.  The trick is to read between the lines.  The vast majority of males could easily be perpetrators, yet choose not to, even though they have the power to become part of the problem.  The reason they don't is because they ACTUALLY respect people.  The ones who don't are the outliers, and the statistics would show that the majority of issues are perpetrated by the minority of males that are simply abusing their status.

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Stop attacking all men, and these arguments gain more ground, but it garners a lot of support in certain circles who just happen to be major misandrists.  My generation of males (born 1982 and beyond) is bearing the brunt of all the old dinosaurs who are the majority of the issue.