Worst Leaders in the AFL!

[Thryleon]

Mate don't know how many times it needs to be said, the two situations are entirely different. With Ratts we were mid table, with Malthouse things were spiraling out of control.

It doesnt matter how different the situations are.

You stated you don't like hypotheticals, and I find it amusing that you believe that in this case you can hypothesize differently and dismiss all situations for all parties.

We could just as easily have gone backwards in 2013 and 14 under Ratten as we could have propelled into top 4.

The point is, we can't know.

Id argue we may have ended up in a very similar position, but again we cannot know for sure.